Not entirely. Laggier players steal more and defend their BB more. Since they will be in more heads up pots, they don't need big hands to showdown. Q hi is often good enough to showdown in a steal pot.

methinks i don't showdown enough.

my statement would hold more true if i were comparing a nit to a tag?

Yeah, the idea of having a WTSD below 36 is just bizarre to me. Where a good WTSD lies is mostly a function of how many HU pots you're in, which is also why it increases with stake level.

Yeah, I forgot to mention the stakes aspect of it.

***shrugs shoulders****

Maybe statement would hold more true if you were comparing passive to aggressive?

you guys are playing FR wtsd should alway be lower then a normal 6 max DUCY

Nits have really high W$@SD and low WTSD.
Compared to a nit...
TAGs have lower W$@SD and higher WTSD.
LAGs have an even lower W$@SD and higher WTSD than both nit/TAG.

think about it.
is anyone going to go to SD versus a nit often?
what about versus a LAG?

LAGs bloat pots. Bad LAGs bloat pots and fold. Wide/tight ranges affect WTSD.

Actually you guys can't just say lag wtsd is higher or lower it also depend on what his style of playing is.

In general FR there more people that will usually join the pot. So your WTSD should be lower in the first play. Also a low WTSD doesn't alway mean he folding too much. it could mean he bluffing a right amount where his opponent is folding too much.

Also a good lag will have a range wtsd of 35-36.5 in FR. you guys see mid stake players with high WTSD because people don't open limp up there as much lower stake and also the fact games are usually short handed hu pot more.

Also good lag have wider range so there wtsd is usually lower however I find that anything less then 34% and you folding too much unless you c.r bluff/folding a right amount

Of course I post this and go out and GTSD 34.5% in my next session, win only half the time at showdown, and still make 43 BBs in 590 hands. I love nit games so much. Which, in order to veer back on topic, shows how WTSD can be dramatically affected by game selection.

Thanks for the response Gamble, as I said I think BvB is a real weakpoint for me ATM and needs work. I think the discussion has kinda moved on a bit but FWIW my street-by-street aggression stats were in the first image that I posted of the details tab from PT, anyway they are 55/54/48 (AFq) on flop,turn and river, I think I'm kinda taking the discussion off on a tangent now tho...

I have been working on my game this past year and would like some feedback on how my stats look. I am stil losing, but my rate is half of what it used to be but feel that my problem is the blinds, can you offer me some advice?

Welcome,

Couple notes:
Whats the limits?

Adjust your stats more in line with whats on page 1, you have no aggression stats, no 3! stats, no steal info which all factor in.. (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...3&postcount=17 Link to great post by Leroy giving baselines, also shows a good way to line up your headers)

What I can see from what you provided:
Tighten up a little closer to 17-18/12, someone can point out a good PF hand chart to get that fixed easy.

You are CCPF waaaay too much, you want that under 1 in most cases. Think 3! or fold. I am going to guess you are CCPF many hands you should be 3! with.

Youre leaking a decent amount to take notice in the blinds .16BB/100 from BB and .12BB/100 from SB is closer to the norm.

Your WTSD is absurdly high, seeing one in high 30s can be alarming let alone high 40s. This is one stat that many people argue over, but closer to the 32-36 is much better which will in itself fix the W$SD which is low mostly because you are showing down way too much. That will naturally get closer to around 55 once everything else gets worked out.

Best thing about all these is they are pretty easy fixes, as you fix one the other gets in line
Eg:
3!Pf over CCPf lowers CCPf and raises 3!Pf so thats 2 problems
WTSD more selectively in turn raises W$SD
Fixing SB/BB play will raise BB/100 rather quickly

Good Luck

having a vpip of 19 is fine. But your pfr is too far away from your vpip. If you want to play 19% of your hands, your pfr should be 14-15. This means you are limping too much.

As stated, you cold call waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAY too much. Stop it!!

Don't open limp. Ever. Well, maybe it's ok in very passive games. But still you are open limping half your hands from EP. That's too much.

You are a showdown monkey. A WTSD in micro FR games above 40 is a leak. The fold button does exist.

Post more stats. Such as AF, ATS, and blind defense stats.

Guys, I need a 10k hand tune-up:





thoughts?

Probably 3! more, but it depends on Villain's PFR range, LDO. Probably ATS more although you don't have your ATS stat anywhere that I saw - just a hunch. BB VPIP seems low... but your WR from BB seems okay (when adjusted for bb -> BB.

Probably going to be postflop stuff to work on for the most part. WTSD seems low, but can't really tell much from that.

Steal Pct 38.1% overall, 28.7% from cutoff, 42.5% from button, 53.6% from SB.

tbh, I feel like I'm going to showdown too much and dragging my W$SD% below 55%.

You're probably okay stealing then at this limit. W$SD isn't the be all end all. W$ is. I wouldn't showdown any less than you are.

Do you have any thoughts as to why you're not getting the results you want? I mean, obviously there's samplesize at just over 10k hands, but I don't see anything that would have you at basically BE from a PF perspective. You might be a tad overaggressive post, I suppose, but other than that...

I feel like I've had a bit of runbad, but it's impossible for me to be objective. And on or two sessions of playbad. I guess I'll need hand poasting and session reviews to find my post-flop leaks.

When I played at 25c/50c, I played quite a bit looser than this. There's still a lot of limped pots and you can get involved in position and see cheap flops. Not saying you HAVE to do this, but there's nothing wrong with playing at 18 percent rather than 15 percent and it will give you some opportunities to win some big pots in position.

First- Thank you for those who commented on my first set of stats. Beleive it or not, when I first started doing this, my CCPF was in the teens and showdown was in the 60% range. I felt that 8% was good, but can understand otherwise. I forgot to add my aggression stats and also realized that there is some medium limit action in the original stats, I have sorted them out and am re-submitting the whole package.

Doesn't really change much. You're still cold-calling way too much, not stealing anywhere near enough, under-defending your Big Blind and probably over-defending your SB, and going to showdown like you're fold button's on the fritz. You're likely open-limping too much as well.

I'd suggest you drop down to .25/.50 for FR (if that's what you want) and work on a lot of these things. Repost in 10k more hands, IMO.

I just today dropped to .25/.5 to re apply your suggestions. What do you make of the aggression stats?

+1

Having Agg by street helps as we might notice if you are being too aggro or turning into a massive calldown with any piece machine. Like was said you are showing down WAAAAAY too much, like work on that and majorly asap...

Like L2D stated, these new stats dont really change prior assesments... take a look at the link I provided and also look at previous posts of peoples stats who are solid winning players and that will give you a baseline.

Also, post some strat hands that you think are problems and we can help out that way also.