I seem to be leaking money all over the place and wuould like to know if there is anyhting my stats can really point out that I am struggling with. I expect it's a lot of things, but I was just wondering. Also, if I wanted to post some flop stats, which ones would be best, to see if I am being way to much of a calling station, etc.

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I'm not an expert like some of the other guys but your UTG and UTG+1 wtsd/w$sd seem a bit weird in comparison to each other. Is there something your doing dramatically different from each spot?

Leroy has some stats posted on page 2 showing various columns to add in that might help the other guys with analyzing your stuff.

Minorish things: Stop cold-calling so much. 3! more.

Majorish things: You are way too nitty in EP and MP although you start to do better in LP (could open up a bit more there too, but baby steps...) Take your Position 2 and move it to about Position 5, and your BTN to Position 2. Then fill in accordingly.

Also, you are getting creamed in the BB. Recognize that LP raises are much wider ranges and that you can defend with a wider range. Your BB defense should be 60, tops (far from ideal, but again with the baby steps - you can work it down from there as you get more comfortable). You're at 85. You could also ATS more, but it's not as far off as your BB Defense.

Edit: My sample stats/progression post from Page 1 should give you an idea of where you're getting to. You're working towards stage 2, but approaching it from a different direction than the stage 1 I show. That's the loose, non-raisy daisy side. You're coming from the overly tight/nitty side.

What should I be 3! more and in what positions? SSLH doesn't really talk a ton about 3! and it seems to want us to be pretty tight really, because people in tighter games (Which is a lot of these games now) aren't raising that light.....

Also, I notice that your suggestion wouldn't leave a ton more hands that swe should be opening per position, isn't that not a great thing? (UTG = 10 and MP2 = 13

6 handed 1/2 tonight:



It might actually be optimal considering the way these guys adjust. Also, I get a lot more VPP/hand.

I think Leroy hit the main points. You're incredibly nitty. If you're playing 11.5/9.6, you're missing a lot of value in a ton of places, so find ways to loosen up. Good hand readers probably have a very easy playing against you.

THIS!

Read through the first page, there are some pretty good standards to go off of... also adjust your stats so it includes 3!Pf plus your street by street AFq or AF.

You are also losing twice as much money as a good baseline in BB.

Stop cold calling so much as was said before either 3! or fold, not saying never CC but there are very few times it should be done.

Most of the prior posters hit on many of the same points in more detail, you are much too tight. If I was playing against someone with stats like that I know they are only playing PREMIUM hands, which is open like playing face up.

stats check please sirs!




I'm working on lowering my wtsd, anything else stick out?

Can't see your stats since I'm at work (weird because the lower one shows up, but whatevs...)

You're folding your BB too much. Work on getting FBBtS to 50%. Then go from there to 40-45%.

are few hands .. but think of to find leaks ... please help:

Two quick comments before this gets moved to halp, noob thread.

You're folding your bb waaaaaay too much to a steal. Depending on the sb, I'd raise atc from otb with you in the bb and I'd for sure raise atc from the sb.

You're not showing down enough.

The majority of hands are for full ring limits. Only 5k, not quite 10k hands yet.

How does those stats look? Does anyone see any potential leaks here? Thanks in advance

First thing I noticed is you're playing WAY too many hands for full-ring, which is why I originally suspected you were playing 6-max. Your VP$IP should most likely be somewhere under 20 and over 10. Your PRF% is OK, which means you're probably openlimping and coldcalling too much. You might be able to squeeze out a winrate at these stakes even by playing too many hands and limping/coldcalling too much, because players aren't punishing your limps (by raising) as much, but you're going to suffer in games or versus players that realize you're playing marginal holdings and are going to isolate you and get you out of position and in uncomfortable spots. Solid preflop play will "solve" a lot of stats that might look off, because you're going to put yourself in better situations and have a much easier time playing postflop.

I used to be 18/8 but after reading many threads here, and especially with the fact that I play micro-stakes (much looser style of play), I loosened up some more and it seems to be profitable so far. What I do so far is raise with more hands when folded to me, especially in late position. I seem to be able to take in more blinds, either that or have good position if they decide to cold-call my raises.

I also, based on reading threads here, decide to complete SB more than I did before. This would explain how my VPIP went from 18/8 to 26/12. My aggression also went up from 1.78 or so to almost exactly 2.00.

I'm not saying you're wrong at all.. I'm a noob when it comes to discussing poker stats here, but what you were suggesting seems to go against what I've been reading about in the Micro Stakes library. If you need specific examples of what kind of information found that caused me to adjust my play, I can point it out.

I don't really openlimp anymore unless it is something like 44 in EP and the table is pretty passive (ie: I don't expect there to be any raisers). More often than not, I open-raise rather than open-limp. The stats might not show that because it was something I fixed recently (I felt it was a leak to openlimp all the times).

I also don't coldcall as often as I used to either - what I would still coldcall is typically something like AJ or AQ LP, and I also often coldcall with speculative hands (small pairs, suited Aces, suited connectors) especially if there are going to be 2 or more players.

Isolation raises are basically non-existent in the stakes I play, IMHO (Otherwise I would have noticed them). In fact, I'm usually the one who actively try to isolate if I'm one or two off button, especially if the limpers is a loose player. This is because I truly hate having to do an action in middle, rather than be closing action on flop and other streets.

What I'm more curious about is whether or not my folding stats looks good (am I folding on the flop too much, or going to the turn too much?) I think I am happy with my W$SD stat (about 50%, but I'm working on improving this some more).

Thanks and appreciate your feedback!

edit: Oh and also, how does my blind steal and defense stats look?

With a sample size of 5k, it might seem so. As Pid Koker says, you play waaaay too many hands and it's just a matter of time before luck runs out and you start loosing money. I know of noone who successfully plays ~27% hands in FR.

No it doesn't explain it. You are either openlimping or coldcalling way too much or it's simply a matter of sample size. Luck has it that you've been dealt good hands.

Then you're either reading the wrong threads or misapply what's in there. 27% is way too much (or it's sample size).

Exactly, you're cold calling too much.

Looking at your WTSD on the limit hands, it seems like it's a bit high but that could be sample size.

In conclusion, you need to play more hands before it's time to look at stats and get some meaningful information. Also, get Small Stakes Holdem and study it.

Ehy guys,

what about 3bet parameter?

I got 3bet PF 4 and fold 3bet 67.

How can i recognize weakness in my opponents with 3bet?

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I don't really get the fold to 3! stat so I don't know what to tell you. Probably don't worry about it.

PF3! of 4% is somewhat low, but depends more on what type of games you're playing in. If it's really low stakes where everyone's limpy and passive and PFR are more srsbiz, it might be okay. Above say, .50/1, this needs to be higher.

It's all about ranges and what you can profitably 3! vs. your villain's range. I'd recommend getting out Pokerstove and plugging in some common opening ranges and see how different hands do against them.

This is the Limit forum. We don't fold to 3bets (preflop anyway).

http://archives2.twoplustwo.com/show...an=&page=&vc=1

The above thread was from Micro Stakes Library. See first few posts - a VPIP of 22/12 was mentioned. I now open-raise, or even raise (if there is a loose limper for isolating) with hands such as A8o, A4s, JT, etc when I'm in LP or not far off, especially if I think I can get it to at least get folded down to the blinds.

Not only that, I also try to steal blinds religiously, especially with top 50% of starting hands (which is a WIDE range). Whereas before, I would just follow the starting hand chart and fold hands like K8o if folded down to me and I'm first to action in LP.

I used to be 18/8. I felt that playing 18/8 made me too predictable for opponents (obvious hand ranges).

If 18 is too tight for nano-stakes (.05/.10 or .10/.20 that I play), and 26 is too loose, what is ideal number in your opinion?

The coldcalling has went down. But I do think I still do it too much. From the same thread above, it says to do coldcalling RARELY. I think I do it a bit more often than "rarely".

So I need some help - what do I do when I get hand like 33 in LP and there's a raiser, and a cold-caller, and I want to play it and see if I flop a set? I don't want to fold here - the raising and the coldcalling makes me think I'd get plenty of action if I flop a set.

Should I have 3bet! 33 here and potentially lose the blinds who might have cold-called for 2 bets instead?

What's the ideal WTSD range?

Yep, already have the book, among other poker books. I actually used Poker Tracker years ago, among with PokerAce HUD (back then they were separate entities) and have played at least 20k or so hands, before the IUGEA got passed. Back then, I was also about 18/8/2.5, a typical TAG. As I recall, my BB/100 was never great, and now I'm starting to think it's because I was too predictable. Am I wrong to loosen up a bit to keep my opponent guessing? If 26 is too loose, what's the ideal VP$IP, taking into consideration the low stakes I play (the lowest ones on FTP)?

Thanks again!

P.S. How does my blind steal/defense numbers look?

Yes, 22/12 would be fine. 27 is pushing your luck.

LP is not one position, it's several. K8o from co or btn would be fine by me, hj if the co and btn are very tight. You might want to be a little bit more tight on your steals if the remaining players are loose and you're not very comfortable post flop.

Most of your opponents aren't paying attention anyway.

The ideal number is the number you get by playing according to table conditions. Don't go for numbers, they take care of themselves.

I thought you tried to follow what was in that thread (se bolded):

I would not 3! 33, I would fold it.

This, and several other "ideal" numbers are in the FAQ:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/35...faq-v1-0-a-15/

Good, then study it, understand the recommendations and follow them. When you're comfortable that you know why to choose certain actions in certain situations you can start experimenting and widen your ranges.

Too much focus on preflop imo. Limit holdem is designed to be played post flop, that's where you win or loose money. It's perfectly possible to have "perfect" numbers preflop and still loose a ton. If I was to guess, you're not value betting enough. It's one of the more common, and "invisible" mistakes I see.

Looks like they're reversed, ie defend SB seems high and defend BB seems low.

And finally...take part in session reviews, respond to hands, etc...oh...and good luck

Anything really obviously wrong here? Don't feel like I'm playing much different to the previous 150k hands where I was a winner but I'm sure my judgement is off at least a bit at the moment. I've gone from planning to move up to feeling like I should just give up.

Tosh: you're running bad (or - less likely - folding in the wrong spots). With your WTSD as low as 33% your W$SD should be like 56%. Take a look at your previous hands and compare these stats in particular.

Also, you should defend your BB a lot more, but that alone wouldn't have turned that run into a winner.

sorry if this a dumb question, but are these fr or 6 max stats prop FR its just in PT3 positions are labeled 1-10 for fr and i dont know what they look like in HEM, at 1st i taught they were 6 max then i saw the vpip/pfr .

Tosh: you gotta be running seriously bad if you're at 19/14 and showdown stats at 33/50 in 6max. Not getting any cards and always get drawn out on?

ETA: Or are early and middle positions lumped together? Looks like that maybe. Regardless, W$SD 50% looks like a runbadstreak.