Dats,

Luck - being in the right place, at the right time, with the right tools

IMO

How do people find the 6 max games as opposed to FR on Stars, specifically at 1/2 and 2/4? I've always been a FR nit but I get the impression the 6 max games are generally more profitable if you play them well, is this the case? I'm guessing the games are just more aggressive and you need to be far more willing to go to showdown with very marginal hands.

Hey y'all-
This is my first stats post! I've filtered for FR (7-10 players) between .25/.50 and 2/4. Most of the hands have been at either .25/.50 or .50/1.00 (these 8k hands are a small samplesize, ik, but this is what I have sofar...). Appreciate any feedback!

Thanks,
pk

Pid Koker,

I think you've been winning a lot w/o sd, playing really aggressive on flop/turn combined with very successful stealing. Bit of a hot streak? And/or great table/seat selection?

But you're stats look nice, imo, except for sample size. If you are doing something wrong, I suppose you are slightly overaggro.

Keep up the good work.

Pid,

Your AF seems high for a vpip of 21, I'd expect to see it closer to 1.75. But results are good so far.

Anyone know why the Standard Deviation in PT3 says 1.00 for each column in the General Tab for me? Could it be due to me using the trial version still or something else? Each type is 1.00 (Std Dev BB/100, BB/hour, etc.).

My last 10k hands, don't feel like I've been playing well. Obviously stats can't tell much and I need to review individual hands but just wondering if theres anything glaringly obvious in the stats?

Hi all,
So this is my first post in this forum, so nice to meet you all.

So about FL stats.

First of all im newbie to FL, because have played only 5 days, little more than just 3.5k hands.

Yesterday after session did my biggest review in FL, and discovered that i have one MEGA HUGE leak. It is play from small blind. Iwas just shocked when i saw those stats.

So anyway, can you guy's please help me with advice, how to play from sb, and what would be my starting hand range?

Ohh, it's 0.05/0.10$ 6-max FL @ FT

Here's the stats!



Thanks!

Tosh: don't really see anything glaring. Maybe some missed value or spew in Middle/Late Positions? Seems like your BB/hand are low, but it's hard to say why.

Edit: Your showdown stats seem pretty in line so maybe you're pumping draws that aren't getting there or something.

Welcome to the forum!

normally, you want to have at least 10k hands as a sample. someone might answer but shoot for 10k as your first baseline for a stats analysis.

start a new thread a post a specific hand that you've played from the small blind and include your thoughts, you will get feedback. also, the microlimit library sticky is your friend, it should be your best friend IMO. There are links in there that deal specifically with the questions that you are asking.

Regarding your starting hand range, there have been a few recent posts regarding this and there are a few hand charts floating around ( leaders is the one I use ) that will help you answer these question. I'd post the links but I don't have them on hand right now

Here are my stats for the last 12k hands or so, this is since April 1st. It's all .50-1.00 FR. I would appreciate any pointers on areas to look at. Thanks!

Bit of run bad re the BB/hand maybe? 10k hands isn't very much to tell conclusively obviously.

I've opened up my late position opening and 3 betting ranges a bit, maybe I'm spewing slightly. Wonder if I can play more hands from EP, feels like I can but I don't know if I can open my raising range much more and not keen on EP open limping.

Yeah, I do think you're a touch tight in EP... I think you can probably get to 9.5% UTG and 10-10.5 UTG+1 (at a full table). While these extra few hands in and of themselves are probably fairly neutral, you'll get more action on your bigger hands.

Edit: Just looked again, it's actually a fairly big jump. Maybe you opened up too much in LP as well to still get to overall of 18/13 although sample size in EP is meh.

Yeah significant sample size issues of course, it shows me as looser from the cut off than the button over this sample so not particularly reliable. I'm definitely a tad tight in very EP though, I don't need to check stats for that. I just wonder what hands I can add and should any hands I do add be raises? If the games are loose passive I can limp some hands but thats rarely the case these days, even at 1/2.

Yeah, they'll be raises.

ATs+, AJo+, KQs, 88+ UTG

Then add ATo and KQo.

hey tosh- what suited broadways are you opening, calling, or folding from ep?

As a rule UTG at a full table I will open: ATs+, 88+ KJs+, AJo+ and KQo.
UTG+1 I add 77, ATo and QJs

If the table is particularly loose and bad (and I am playing few enough tables to notice) I will limp a few hands like 66 and JTs. But not often. I've just checked my stats following the hands I've played since posting and both EP stats are approx. 1% higher so maybe my EP range isn't that terrible, does seem a pretty huge jump from UTG/UTG+1 to the next position though.

That sound good IMO. Personally I'm a little more careful with the offsuit hands (KQo in particular), but I'm sure the difference is marginal. Once you have a really big sample size you can check how the individual hand (groups) are doing for you.

As for your stats, preflop looks very good, but 34% WTSD seems a tad too low. I'm used to seeing like 36-39%. Maybe I'm just a showdown monkey, though. =) It's hard to say what's correct. I only really have my stats as a comparison.

I agree with this, conceptually. I usually play FR at Stars, but I'm also experimenting with some 5max games on a domestic (Swedish) site. I raise like 25% of my hands and most often 4+ players are still in on the flop. Successful stealing doesn't exist here.

I've got a question, since it seems like everyone is losing the majority of their money from the blinds would it be a better play to just be extra nit when you're playing out of the blinds?

no, you will lose more money every time you don't defend w/ a nice hand like A7o, 89s, Q9o, K9s against a klepto who steals w/ more than 45% of his range.

The money "lost" under those SB/BB stats are money that's going to be lost regardless if you play like a nit or like a maniac out of the blinds. For instance, say you're in a $2/$4 game, you're going to initially have $3 lost each orbit, regardless if you fold all blinds or raise all blinds. That initial money "lost" is going to increase or decrease, depending on how well you play from the blinds. Your goal is to minimize that loss, but everyone is a loser from the blinds, regardless of how well you play.

I'm not talking about defending. I just mean with overcalling. I see it all the time with people over calling with J6s, 47s, or any connectors. Obviously these are losing plays. If people would stop cold-calling with marginal hands in the SB and BB from players who aren't stealing then they would probably see good results. SB and BB are the only positions that I'm in the red. Even with taking out the blinds themselves I'm still in the red because of over-calling marginal hands. I'm going to experiment with not over-calling and see how I do.

the SB and BB are going to be the only things in the red still, in spite of of the blinds. You almost never have position on your opponent and it's hard to be aggressive OOP.

I like to call from the SB and BB w/ small pocket pairs and suited connectors b/c it's already discounted for me and it's giving me good pot odds to call.

i'm not exactly sure what you mean by overcalling. I don't really know the defintion of that word. 47s is definitely better to "overcall" w/ than J6s b/c you face a greater chance of being outkicked w/ J6 than 47 if you flop top pair. Plus it's just easier to play b/c it's a fit-or-fold hand

Overcalling just means that you're calling out of the blinds when someone raises. Those hands were just examples of marginal hands that get played out of the blinds. I know they'll still be in the red if I can get them close to the black once I take out the amount of the blinds then that'll be a good improvement.