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05-10-2010 , 11:40 AM
Btw, thanks GG for reminding me about the 3 front images. I redid my stats in that format since it has things like Flop AFq etc that people asked. I couldn't find the straight 'AF' listed near the early columns, just 'total AF' or street ones. Sorry for not doing this originally.



prfsr_cain:
Yeah, I'm mostly 3! AK, 99+, AQs, AJs, AQo atm. Occasionally I've 3! a few other hands but not often. I open limp JTs from pretty much every position, I've never felt confident enough to try raising them from late. I'll try to write up some guidelines to myself on a wider range.

WITHG has helped me a small bit in blind play over the last month, but my lack of aggression is crippling my application of it.
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05-10-2010 , 01:04 PM
You need to raise a lot more PF. I don't know if you've done it before, but it's starting hand chart time, IMO. It's hard to address much postflop when your PF game is so out of wack.
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05-10-2010 , 03:24 PM
Mostly been using SSHE's and adding in hands as I feel more comfortable. There's one the WITHG on 12 that i've been looking at also.
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05-10-2010 , 03:45 PM
Thanks L2D,

My ATS/Blind play is in definite need of improvement and is something I have not really focused in on yet as there is so much more I had to work on

My CCPF and 3!PF are something I have worked on and they do in general go hand in hand

First 22k hands
CCPF 3.15
3!Pf 4.43

Last 10k hands
CCPF 2.27
3!Pf 4.8

Last Session 650 hands - way too small a range I know, but it was 1st great session I have had in a while BB wise
CCPF 2.88
3!Pf 7.69

Just also discovered a decent sized leak based on session review so I am hoping for marked improvement coming soon
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05-10-2010 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Jhereg
Despite playing poker for 5months now I'm still having trouble being aggressive in the right spots. But, I'm dedicated to getting better. Any links to reading are more than appreciated.
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Originally Posted by Jhereg
Yeah, I'm mostly 3! AK, 99+, AQs, AJs, AQo atm. Occasionally I've 3! a few other hands but not often. I open limp JTs from pretty much every position, I've never felt confident enough to try raising them from late.
Is it just me or does it sound like a 100/100/100 session might help here, maybe remove some of his passivity and get him hitting the raise button more?

FWIW before you ask what it is, its 100 hands at 1 table with 100 Vpip and 100PFr.... yes you play every hand for 100 straight hand and have to PFr every time.

There are threads on it out there so try using search for more.
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05-10-2010 , 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Jhereg
Btw, thanks GG for reminding me about the 3 front images. I redid my stats in that format since it has things like Flop AFq etc that people asked. I couldn't find the straight 'AF' listed near the early columns, just 'total AF' or street ones. Sorry for not doing this originally.
Total AF and Total AFq are the AF and AFq you see on mine
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05-10-2010 , 03:59 PM
Personally, I'd just recommend following a tighter hand chart *verbatim* for a while. Don't deviate from it until you've got it mostly ingrained in your head. Then, move on to adding a few hands at the bottom of your range in spots where it's beneficial to do so.
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05-11-2010 , 11:50 PM
I'll look for a tighter chart then thanks. Since tonight was my night off I decided to try a much more aggressive game throughout the day, with mixed results. I might learn something going through the hands later.

Thanks again for the help.
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05-12-2010 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Jhereg
I'll look for a tighter chart then thanks. Since tonight was my night off I decided to try a much more aggressive game throughout the day, with mixed results. I might learn something going through the hands later.

Thanks again for the help.
get leaders chart, it is most excellent
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05-13-2010 , 10:41 AM
Just to show you guys I'm a good sport, heres my last 11K hand stats. 1-2LHE FR FTP I know my Blind defense is a little wacked and I dont steal OTB so much. they always seem to call anyway. (I like loose games)

Im losing .14 in the SB and .15 in the BB and My SD is 16.5277 (i little high because all my unfocusd play) I tossed off 3 BB last night on stupid calls.



Im sure some of you experianced PT users can read this thing better than I do

showing a small losses w/ AKs KQs KQo QJs(fairly significant) QJo QTs QTo JTo. on the button figure this is due to over aggression after the flop or tring to get tricky and bull through losers up against folks calling down weak 1 pair hands.

notable Over all losers for this sample ATo A8o A7s A7o A6s A6o KQs KJo and worse K's , QJs Q9s , JTo, J9s. most suited hands played in the high 30 times so small sample there but def a losing trend. Note to self ; Must fix problem w/ Khi hands
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05-13-2010 , 10:50 AM
You over-defend your SB and under-defend your BB.

You got to SD slightly too much and you're running good.

IMO.

(Post your positional stats also. They're more useful.)
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05-13-2010 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Leroy2DaBeroy
You over-defend your SB and under-defend your BB.

You got to SD slightly too much and you're running good.

IMO.

(Post your positional stats also. They're more useful.)
Ah SD? Show down yeah I already commented how I show down and continue sometimes when I should fold. Unfocused thinking / playing on my part no doubt

Im winning in every position except the blinds

strangely BB tilted to nearly 1400 very likely playing too much in EP2 though sample size small at 1102

Im running about .5 +BB/100 this sample over average


OTB 20.26 Vp$iP winning .1 BB/ hand 11.35 win% 47.53 W$WSF%
CO 19.24 VP$IP winning .08 BB/hand 10.33 win % 46.41 W$WSF%
HJ 15.86 VP$iP winning .04bb/hand 8.63 win% 48.04 W$WSF%
MP 15.86 VP$iP winning .08 BB/hand 8.97 win% 49.71 W$WSF%
EP3 13.03 VP$iP winning .09 BB/hand 7.54 win% 51.39 W$WSF%
EP2 10.89 VP$iP winning .05 BB/hand 6.44 win% 51.49 W$WSF%
UTG 12.12 VP$iP winning .08 BB/hand 7.24 win% 54.29 W$WSF%
BB 25.13 VP$ip winning (.14) BB/hand 23.23 win% 33.55 W$WSF%
SB 33.46 VP$iP winning (.15) BB/Hand 15.00 win% 40.10 W$WSF%

hope this helps but very small samples position wise 1300 ish each

Last edited by timmer; 05-13-2010 at 12:41 PM.
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05-13-2010 , 04:49 PM
...waiting to get more hands at .25/.50 6max Rush so deleted stats

Anyone have any baseline stats for it?

Last edited by GambleGamble; 05-13-2010 at 05:11 PM.
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05-13-2010 , 05:00 PM
You're really nitty for 6-max. Start by raising more and then move on to loosening up your range.

You can steal more from the CO pretty successfully, I'd imagine.

You are vastly over-defending your SB and vastly under-defending your BB. Stop cold-calling in the SB or whatever it is that you're doing, and loosen up your BB defending range.

Maybe go to showdown a tad more.

60 W$SD is pretty sick hot, yeah, but I'd imagine low-mid 50's would be common for a lower WTSD like that.

Your AFq is really out of wack. Generally, you want to be a little less aggressive on each street (I'm 57/51/40 in terms of flop AFq, turn AFq, river AFq), so 47/59/60-something is obviously really, really weird. I have no idea what you're doing to warrant those stats.

edit: Oh, this is only over 1000 hands, maybe explaining some of the discrepancies.

Stop posting 1000-hand samples.
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05-13-2010 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesBJames
edit: Oh, this is only over 1000 hands, maybe explaining some of the discrepancies.

Stop posting 1000-hand samples.
Sorry, didnt want to just randomly ask for 6max Rush stats without showing something...

...seems like I can bang out 10k hands in no time if I keep playing, Ill repost then if so
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05-15-2010 , 08:47 PM
I normally play .25-.50 6max and am thinking of changing my game to FR to play more tables. I put in around 10k hands of .02-.04 FR kind of recently by 20-tabeling to get a quick sample. I'm going to just play enough at each stake to get to 300 BB's for the next level. Does anybody see anything glaringly wrong w/ these FR stats?




The only adjustments i could see makign were just playing tighter. There were a lot of limpers and am wondering if these stats would work for the rest of the microlimits

Thanks
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05-16-2010 , 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by murderface
stats check, please. i know im doing something wrong
change that bb/ to BB/

you're too tight
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05-17-2010 , 11:25 AM
Hi guys - would love some feedback. I'm a beginner poker player - only been playing about a month or so (late April). Previously my poker knowledge consisted primarily of having watched Casino Royale a couple of times; over the past month I've been doing a lot of reading (particularly the 2+2 forums).

Very small sample size: I've played about 4,400 hands, but a bit over half have been at my preferred stakes ($0.05/$0.10 full-ring FLH), about 2,500 hands. I still suspect you guys might still spot some obvious alarming trends.

Overall stats:
Hands: 2,554
VPIP%: 20.8%
PFR%: 11.5%
bb/100: 9.34
WTSD%: 33.8%
W$SD%: 53.7%
W$WSF: 37.7%
Agg: 2.3
Agg%: 46.3%

By position
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05-17-2010 , 12:40 PM
Your sample size is pretty small so everything is with a grain of salt (repost when you hit 10k, please).

That said, be aware of what you're cold-calling with. At these limits, it's very possible that hands are playing very multi-way and that cc'ing may be the best option. Or it may not be the best option. Everything else looks okay.
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05-17-2010 , 12:46 PM
I like your avatar.

You're particularly cold-calling too much in the sb. As Leroy said this may be optimal especially given the lolsamplesizeament effect but it's unlikely. You can kind of ignore the discount you're receiving from your money already in the pot as that's more or less negated by your positional disadvantage postflop.
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05-17-2010 , 12:54 PM
Yeah, probably cold-call less. Probably don't fire turn barrels as often as you are. 3-bet a lot more, especially from the blinds.

Oh, and post in the forums. I've seen you hanging around the Beginner's Questions forum, but trust me-- this forum is pretty good too.
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05-17-2010 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by WalrusBear
I like your avatar.
Oh yes indeed. She rocks. I have another one equally as good, but I'll let people enjoy this one for a bit

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...cold-call less. Probably don't fire turn barrels as often as you are. 3-bet a lot more, especially from the blinds
So basically - I should be either folding or raising? Early on I was limping in with everything, trying to see the flop on the cheap and playing from there. I've gotten a bit better at raising or folding - but as evidenced by the gap between my VPIP and PFR, I need to probably raise a bit more...
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05-24-2010 , 10:35 PM
first time playing 10 handed in a year or two. how's it look? what needs improving? think this will beat 1/2 long-run?

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05-24-2010 , 10:43 PM
first off, i know there'll be a few comments about "who cares" bla bla bla.. I know, so does everyone else... so there.

I'm hoping this will serve as a wake up call & a kind of starting point for improving my game even more.

... turns out i've been running well consistently for a while & basically, its equally likely that i can run as bad... which i'd like to minimize as much as possible (by getting better).

This year, by some measures, i'm over 500 BBs above the street-by-street EV. I've had a kind of so-so month and it lead me to look and see how lucky i've been in the last while in case I've been just running well & shouldn't expect it to continue. Here's the results.(odds of 1:~5020 against).



I know this isnt the typical statistic type question, but heres my thoughts:

1) i'll try to rationalize why its "expected" for my luck to appear so high... and this seems on the face of it to be a BS rationalization.

2) even if i realize that omg i've been pretty lucky this year (supposing that its true), i'm still going to be a huge wuss when the sick 500 BB -EV swing comes crushing in.

3) i'm wondering what can i do to improve my game even more, because clearly I'm not as good as i thought i was. I post, i do reviews monthly, grunches etc etc... & I rly cant go investing in training sites either.
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05-25-2010 , 08:37 AM
normalcy: looks good IMO. I think you'll be fine at 1/2.

dats: I think you can only keep doing what you've been doing in terms of improvement. You might try DC's free 7-day trial and ability to download DRM free vids and see what you think, but other than that, just keep on keepin' on, IMO. I wouldn't worry too much about your "good luck" thus far. 1) I don't know much about it, but how confident are you in that site's/tool's ability to adequately measure your luck? And 2) You can't do anything about it so why worry? Swongs will happen, and you can't really prepare for them. You just have to play through them.
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