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Missed Value in 3/6 Hand? Missed Value in 3/6 Hand?

07-07-2017 , 04:17 PM
About two hours into session at the game I usually play in. Lots of older regs who play too loose, showdown medium strength hands and only raise when they have something at the very top of their range.

Villain is OWG whose wife has been sitting at an empty table watching him play. Hero has never seen him showdown and can't remember if he's ever gotten to fifth street w/o folding to a bet. Seems very passive and tight.

OTTH:

two players limp in front, Hero has Q10o in the SB and completes. Flop comes:

QcQs7c

Hero leads 3, BB folds, LP calls, Villain who is in CO calls. Three players to the turn. The turn is:

QcQs7c5d

Hero checks, guy in LP bets 6, Villain raises to 12, hero calls. Two players to the river. The river is:

QcQs7c5dKs

Hero checks, Villain bets 6, Hero calls.

A couple of thoughts on what my thinking was during the hand. My check OTT was originally for value so that I could raise. I elected to not to reraise given my image of Villain once he raised. At that point I was 100% confident he had a queen and not a full house. I think I believed this because many players at the table normally limp marginal hands and overvalue weak kickers. My river plan was to c/c all the way. Overall, I think I missed value. In this type of game should I be trying to get as much money in as possible against villain?
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07-07-2017 , 04:23 PM
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In this type of game should I be trying to get as much money in as possible against villain?
Not vs the overly tight guys.

I'd bet the turn and call a raise. As played on the turn I think calling the raise and then calling the river is correct.
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07-07-2017 , 07:14 PM
Turn check sounds like FPS, especially in a 3/6 game. Seems like it will get checked through a lot unless your game is atypical.
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07-08-2017 , 10:06 AM
Given villain's description, how is QT not in really big trouble?
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07-08-2017 , 10:14 PM
OWG? OTTH?
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07-09-2017 , 01:00 AM
Old White Guy, On To The Hand

were my interpretations
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07-09-2017 , 01:29 PM
Thanks for the replies everyone. I agree turn check was a mistake. Villain showed Q9o so I determined he was willing to limp poor hands and made a mental note for next time.

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07-09-2017 , 02:05 PM
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07-10-2017 , 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by PTMHM
Thanks for the replies everyone. I agree turn check was a mistake. Villain showed Q9o so I determined he was willing to limp poor hands and made a mental note for next time.
Limping QTo from late position is standard play. Therefore limping Q9o can only be a small mistake. In a 3/6 game you should expect your opponents to be limping this hand and worse. Of course many will limp AQ and KQ too.

Checking the turn here is definitely a mistake. These kind of boards get checked through on the turn all the time. Out of position you need to just keep betting your hand until you get a raise.
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07-18-2017 , 01:51 PM
When OWG raises on the offsuit 5 turn he's basically face up.

Does OWG raise pre with the top of his range? If so I'm jamming here until the universe implodes on itself because we're are going to see lots of suited Q/trash combos in this spot and we aren't in kicker trouble. If not, I like the cautious line.

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07-18-2017 , 03:33 PM
Once you bet the flop, checking the turn is a mistake.

But whether it is better to bet or check the flop is an undiscussed question. Your goal should be to be the last aggressor but I think yhere is a case for checking to raise the flop.
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