So are you also "knowledgable enough" to raise with air to isolate a fish, and then fold getting 17.5:1 closing the action because obviously the 3-bettor has two pair or better?

I don't think that enough consideration has been given to what the donker has. He's been blown off, and only the woman's hand is discussed. If he's not looking to get raised, then he has a strong hand and is blindly betting it. If he is aware that he might be raised by the woman, either he has a strong hand or a draw. I don't think you can count on any outs beside the jacks, and he may have one of them. Since by strong hand I mean 2 pair+, he will have a redraw against your straight quite often.

I don't see a low limit player tilt-donking on the flop without tilt-raising pre-flop. He has something, and there is a good chance you are in third place equity-wise.

I'm not saying you shouldn't call, but I think there is more happening than has been discussed.

Pre-flop: Depending from my image and the table, sometimes I raise, sometimes I limp and sometimes I fold.

Generally, under the gun, I don't play these kind of hands the same way all the time. It gives my game more fluidity.

After the flop, as played, I call and reevaluate the situation on the turn.

What do you think fish has? If he had top pair he wouldn't lead into preflop raiser hed be afraid of overpair, if he has a big hand once again he isnt leading into preflop raiser he lays low and goes for check raise on turn (most fish at 4/8) 4/8 is a HIGHLY exploitable game. You can make those type of reads with reasonable certainty, and once again, if woman posted the hand from her point of view, and op 3bets in this spot...half people in here would be advocating folding. If the op had been splashing around earlier and has a tricky/bluffy type image then obviously 3bet light here isn't good..but if he has been playing snug and tabling best hand...its a good bet. IMHO

I don't see a low limit player tilt-donking on the flop without tilt-raising pre-flop. He has something, and there is a good chance you are in third place equity-wise.

The guys down 3 racks and is a fish, he is hardwired to just limp preflop lmao...most likely he has a draw and is betting that or might be leading with air hoping to fold field...and yea I know..thats INSANE! but HE doesn't know that and I've seen it over and over again...its called DESPERATION lmao...

He is leading with air exactly 0% of the time. He doesn't become desperate between the pre-flop and the flop. He would be rammin' and jammin' pre-flop if desperate. I've seen that over and over again.

Not if he is down 3 racks and afraid of getting raised and having to put in more chips with garbage preflop...(rammin and jammin..IZMET FEkali lol...and I GUARANTEE fish has no clue of rammin in jammin...and 0% of time he is leading with air here??? if you say so. lol.

You are a lucky guy, dead, if players as bad as that are so common that you can extrapolate them into other's games. Personally, in 20 years I haven't seen anything like that. I still contend, though, that no-one gets desperate after calling pre-flop. If they are feeling that way, they want the miracle pot as big as possible. That means raising it up before the flop, when fewer people may be chased away, and they get tied on.

You're right, the guy didn't get desperate after calling preflop, he was desperate preflop. Just don't think he's raising his garbage there,especially down 3 racks, which is most likely what he has. The fact that there were only 3 players and fish in a 4/8 game will put the raiser on an A/K. Not that far fetched to think the guy is taking a stab with a weak holding. If guy had top pair I don't think he leads into preflop raiser, he'd be afriad of over-pair, and if he has better, think he lays low til turn.