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06-01-2017 , 06:18 AM

karltom

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Just wanted your thoughts on this, as havent ever played limit and have some opposing views. No stats or reads: CO raises, we have K9 suited. What would be the best course of action?

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06-01-2017 , 08:40 AM

mongidig

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3 bet.

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06-01-2017 , 11:04 AM

rodeo

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3 bet.

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06-01-2017 , 11:27 AM

callipygian

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I'm turbomucking at 3/6 and turbo3betting by 15/30 but this is heavily dependent on Villain's range.

Some people will raise 72o because stealing the blinds means raising with the ****tiest hands possible. Other people raise only open TT+ from any position.

There are more of the latter at 3/6 and more of the former at 15/30.

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06-01-2017 , 12:02 PM

lawdude

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Originally Posted by callipygian

+1

Another way of looking at this is that against a total unknown, there's nothing wrong with folding this, as you can certainly end up playing against a range that crushes you. But once you have established that a player's range is positional and they are raising more stuff closer to the button, this is a 3-bet.

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06-01-2017 , 12:38 PM

callipygian

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Also the idea of someone being a total unknown is questionable.

How much did they buy in for (one rack / two racks / five $20 bills / average stack)? What did they bring to the casino (backpack / sunglasses / custom card protector)? Did they try to buy chips from the wrong person (looking for a chip runner when there are none, trying to buy chips from the dealer when there's a runner)? Did they want to play this game or are they waiting for a bigger or smaller game or NL? Did they ask for a seat change list as soon as they sat down?

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06-01-2017 , 04:19 PM

lawdude

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Originally Posted by callipygian

I agree, but I don't think it's wrong to be cautious if you aren't sure they are a positional raiser.

Basically, this sort of thing carries big RIO's if you end up doing it against someone whose range is QQ+ AK or something. You can end up flopping a pair and paying off a lot of bets with it.

Whereas it's profitable, but not greatly so, against someone with a typical stealing range from the CO.

So if it's the first hand I've seen the guy play from the CO I'm likely to prefer caution even given the stuff you are mentioning.

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06-01-2017 , 06:31 PM

chillrob

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I'm guessing the OP is asking about online play. Don't think they have much live LHE in London.

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06-05-2017 , 06:52 AM

karltom

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Thanks, good points

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06-05-2017 , 09:13 PM

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asmitty

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With no reads, I fold in a game with $1 chips and 3bet in an online game or a game with chips larger than $1.

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