Hawaiian Gardens 4/8

UTG +1 facing a limp:
"52o? I could flop a straight. Let's limp in and see!"

UTG +1 facing a raise:
"88? He could have Aces. Better fold!"

Someone told me once that when I played higher, my opponents would respect my raises.

Then either it's just you they don't respect or you haven't moved high enough for them to recognize. Time to double the stakes.

Also I was just joking about trifectas. Powerball > sports betting

Oops! I didn't realize this thread wasn't serious. Pretty epic, but not serious. GG

You're the only one not being serious with your garbage advice

Regardless of whether or not my advice is garbage, at least I'm making an effort. You're just barfing words that, when strung together into a sentence, mean very little to any sober humans reading this ******ed thread.

Whatever. I'm not going toe to toe with the best forum troll in the LHE section of 2+2. I stand no chance.

You sound like a lifetime loser at 4-8

Good read, sir. I am.

I'd be willing to bet that over a 1000 hour sample I could post a higher win rate at $4/$8, by having a raising range from UTG, than dead.money. Likely a very apt screen name, btw.

4/8 has crazy high variance. Would 1k hours (25k hands based on the multiway nature of things and how long it takes them to make rudimentary decisions) prove much of anything? The standard error around one's WR is still likely to be over 1 per 100 in that time frame.

Of course, any excuse to antagonize 4/8 players with raising sounds like it could be fun.

The bet would have to be for a lot of money for me to do it any longer than 1000 hours. Even at 1000 hours the bet would need to be $35k+.

I'd vote for a twitch stream if a $50k 4/8 prop bet ever went down.

Seems overly harsh. I've seen you play and wouldn't put your odds at much worse than +15k

Just wanted to make sure this gets read becusse it's to important to overlook even though lots of people disagree with it.

If you want to play poker purely for fun and neber care to play bigger then sure dosr hard and open limos at small stakes but if you ever want to move up at all or actually win money you just can't do it.

Fwiw I played 4-8 for a fairly large sample, eventually I settled into s neber open limp and ever cold call strategy and absolutely crushed the game so it's it as if that style is not profitable. Maybe I could have made a fraction of a bet more by limljng 2-2 utg but I feel like itw would have hurt my development as a player. Getting dealt pairs and actually folding them is hard to do and practicing it so it becomes second nature was importsnr

Here's the problem. I'll use AX as an example, take a 8-16 player hat has the goal of winning money, they should obviously try to move up to 20-40 for rake alone and their hourly will be much higher if they can actually win.

Now let's assume when they play 8-16 and flop a flush draw everyone they get c/r on the flop they should 3 bet and check back most turns. This is often the most profitable line in all small stakes games and it's not close.

Now this person decides to start taking 20 shots and the first time hey 3 bet th flop they get 3 bet by TP and say, hmm I don't know what to do now.... so next time they don't 3 bet the flop and think hmmm I have absolutely no experience in this situation and will likely make several spot flop
Mistakes from here on out. Better move back down and get some practice not free carding flush draws......

Then rinse and repeat for several situations. Like cold calling 55 UTg+1 and realizing 5 other people don't always call and some guy 3 bets AQ and 99 behind

Wow another one! LMao! nice to see you come to BOB and CAlli's defense...they needed it! You openly admit you have no clue what we were talking about, then make this idiotic statement. NOT in the game described, which I'm not going to go back into. I never said I don't raise in EP? what are you clowns talking about?

[QUOTE=Jon_locke;52054322]Here's the problem. I'll use AX as an example, take a 8-16 player hat has the goal of winning money, they should obviously try to move up to 20-40 for rake alone and their hourly will be much higher if they can actually win.

ASSUMING, they can afford to move up! Assuming that they have no problem risking a few thousand dollars...O mr pooh bah, LMAO! but of course if you can beat the game...you will ALWAYS win..right. I mean there is no way you could run bad your first month and drop a few tho...NO WAY that can happen..right? LMAO!

Now let's assume when they play 8-16 and flop a flush draw everyone they get c/r on the flop they should 3 bet and check back most turns. This is often the most profitable line in all small stakes games and it's not close.


NEVER do ANYTHING always! and that's not close! umm exploitable??? lmao I love this place and look for poor souls trying to follow ur advice at ALL my tables, lol... so flop comes 852 with flush draw guy in EP bets, I raise, folds around to EP who 3 bets...i check (cause im a fish, lol...actually id raise, but anyway), turn comes Jack of wrong color...and he CHECKS? Sounds like a line the fish take, umm u teachin them? only they bet flop, and then check turn when they miss. either way you might as well turn ur hand face up after turn action!

Now this person decides to start taking 20 shots and the first time hey 3 bet th flop they get 3 bet by TP and say, hmm I don't know what to do now.... so next time they don't 3 bet the flop and think hmmm I have absolutely no experience in this situation and will likely make several spot flop
Mistakes from here on out. Better move back down and get some practice not free carding flush draws......



I assume you mean the first time they reraise and get 3bet on flop. And the poor low stakes player's brain explodes because of the complexity of the situation LMAO! Just speculation at this idiotic diatribe, but if it's his first time there he is prob playing with scared money and hence is re raising VALUE, so if TP 3 bets him, TP better be ready to CAP, and most likely lose lmao..cause the guy obviously has a hand!

How can I come to bob and calli's defense if I have no clue what the three of you were talking about?

Your strategy to open limp everything that you want to play from early position is terrible. The reason you want use this strategy is illogical.

. Like cold calling 55 UTg+1 and realizing 5 other people don't always call and some guy 3 bets AQ and 99 behind[/QUOTE]

In your 20/40 game I'm sure 5 other people rarely call, and even in many of the 4/8 games 5 other people might not call...ANNND even in the game I described 5 other people don't ALWAYS call! BUTTTT! 5 other people will call often enough (say 90% of time) that strat is correct, assuming they would otherwise fold to a raise. REread post tired of rewriting, and frankly getting bored with this topic!

LMAO...you want me to be wrong SOOOOOO bad that you people are making IDIOTIC statements! Ok, so if you have no clue of what we are talking about...HOW in the HELL! can you say "your strategy to open limp everything that you want to play from early position is terrible. The reason you want use this strategy is illogical" considering that YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT WE WERE TAKING ABOUT! ???????? I mean are you people serious?

lol

I'm open limping everything in VERY specific situations/games.....not just blindly limping everything from EP. I mean at least read the post before chiming in with nonsense!

Exhibit A of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

So blindly adopt a linear strategy..ALWAYS do this, NEVER do that! LMAO..or is it better to observe the table and do whats BEST given the conditions! Assuming you understand your fundamentals and have the ability to adjust your game. Instead of doing something thats down right STUPID, because that's what a 20/40 player would do, in a 20/40 game.