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Old 02-08-2012, 03:41 PM   #151
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Re: Beginner PF Play with Starting Hand Charts

hi,
great thread I'm new at FL and normally I play micro stakes but I hope, that I can play higher stakes later in time ^^

thanks for nice charts and bumping xD
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Old 09-08-2016, 09:53 AM   #152
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Re: Beginner PF Play with Starting Hand Charts

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Hi All,

I remixed Leader's charts so that each image is by position. I found this more useful for me.

Also, for each action, I divided the hands into three lines:
1st line --> pears
2nd line --> sooted
3rd line --> unsooted

There may be a few mistakes, so if you notice any I will fix.

Enjoy,
Buzz











Hello!
Anyone has the images/.xls? :/ this topic was the most detailed about odds I found but no images available now!
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Old 02-01-2017, 10:38 PM   #153
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Re: Beginner PF Play with Starting Hand Charts

Bump!

How applicable are these recommended ranges for tournament rather than cash games?

Thanks.
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Old 02-02-2017, 10:14 AM   #154
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Re: Beginner PF Play with Starting Hand Charts

For tourneys you should tighten up because folding is +ev and the chips in your stack are worth more than those in the pot.
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Old 02-03-2017, 02:07 PM   #155
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Bump, I can't see the images either
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Old 02-08-2017, 08:47 PM   #156
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For tourneys you should tighten up because folding is +ev and the chips in your stack are worth more than those in the pot.
Folding is +ev? Please explain.
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Old 02-10-2017, 08:28 AM   #157
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Re: Beginner PF Play with Starting Hand Charts

It's 0 ev chip wise, but it's + ev $ wise.

Think about a near the bubble spot. No limit holdem tourney. Three players left, two spots pay. You have 10 big blinds on the button. Small blind has 5 big blinds. Big blind has 25 big blinds.

What's a good shoving range look like there? I think it would be rather tight because folding will be profitable due to the 5 big blind stack that will shove quite wide and the big blind who will call quite wide.

So in order for shoving to be correct, the ev of shoving a particular hand must be higher than the ev of folding, which will be positive.
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Old 02-11-2017, 08:38 AM   #158
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Funny, this hand came up yesterday:

three left, three spots pay in this $5 no limit holdem tourney. I have 14 big blinds, small blind has 5 big blinds, big blind has 20 big blinds.

I get A8o on the button. I think shoving is +ev chip wise, but the chance of the small blind getting eliminated this hand is quite high. I fold. Small blind shoves, big blind calls. Small blind gets knocked out and I move up the pay table.

Then of course I got all in with A5o and lost to KTs. gg.
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Old 02-13-2017, 05:12 PM   #159
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Re: Beginner PF Play with Starting Hand Charts

If folding is +EV:

Everyone folds -- did everyone gain EV?
Or maybe blinds are exempt. 7 folds to the blinds. SB calls, checks to a showdown. You're saying the SB and BB lost EV on that hand?
Or is EV not zero sum?
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Old 02-13-2017, 07:33 PM   #160
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Yeah once the blinds are posted you're playing a positive sum game.
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Old 02-14-2017, 09:01 AM   #161
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Re: Beginner PF Play with Starting Hand Charts

Also, there's a distinct difference between chip ev and $ ev. If there's a chance that someone will go broke, and if someone going broke equates to profit for us, then folding will always be + $ ev. This is always true in tourneys despite folding being 0 chip ev.
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Old 02-15-2017, 04:08 PM   #162
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Re: Beginner PF Play with Starting Hand Charts

If I fold every hand, I'll be making +$EV decisions on every hand! How can I lose?!
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Old 02-15-2017, 08:26 PM   #163
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Once you're in the money, you can't lose.
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Old 03-05-2017, 08:07 PM   #164
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Re: Beginner PF Play with Starting Hand Charts

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If folding is +EV:

Everyone folds -- did everyone gain EV?
Or maybe blinds are exempt. 7 folds to the blinds. SB calls, checks to a showdown. You're saying the SB and BB lost EV on that hand?
Or is EV not zero sum?
My current understand is that the ones who are near the bubble with a poor stack are -EV when they fold as their options turn from bad to worse.
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