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Old 10-19-2008, 06:36 PM   #76
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Re: Beginner PF Play with Starting Hand Charts

Is there a chart to play a 28/20 style?
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Old 10-19-2008, 06:52 PM   #77
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Re: Beginner PF Play with Starting Hand Charts

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Old 11-06-2008, 02:42 PM   #78
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Re: Beginner PF Play with Starting Hand Charts

should i be coldcalling raises in the SB in a 2-3 blind structure? i never used to do it in 1-2 and 1-3 structures, but now i kinda have the feeling it could be right in a 2-3 structure.
if yes, what kind of hands? small suited aces?

what about at a 2-5 structure?
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Old 11-06-2008, 03:30 PM   #79
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what kind of hands?
If you direct your eyes upward,

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Old 11-06-2008, 03:33 PM   #80
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Old 12-08-2008, 10:36 AM   #81
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Re: Beginner PF Play with Starting Hand Charts

uh guys, i'd like to give shorthanded a try (not smallstakes, more at the micros for the beginning)..i want to start tight, loosing up when i feel comfortable.. how tight might be possible on those micro shorthanded tables?(lets say up to 0.25/.50 or stuff) any ideas?
fr im about 19/10 and im feelin good with it..

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Old 12-08-2008, 01:04 PM   #82
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Re: Beginner PF Play with Starting Hand Charts

I had 18/10.5 stats on FR, so the adjustment I feel is really loosening and being aggro in the late positions, like BTN, CO and HJ. I started off by sticking to starting charts from Stox's book, and it helped a lot. else I would have still played too tightly.
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Old 12-10-2008, 02:09 PM   #83
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Re: Beginner PF Play with Starting Hand Charts

ok, forget my last question!i brought a book for all those stuff. but till im readin it, i have a few question about the pdf i downloaded: as i understand it right, ORC means -open raise chart- but those pairs are marked as calling hands, that wouldnt make any sense to me, i think you they are meant to be raising hands, right?!

And.. the second question is somewhere in my mind, i forgot it right now :X

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Old 01-04-2009, 01:48 PM   #84
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44 utg fold? no way
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Old 01-16-2009, 04:32 PM   #85
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Re: Beginner PF Play with Starting Hand Charts

Hi quys, I'm new to 2p2 but not too new to poker.

I'm playing NL25 SH, 6-9 tables and I'm looking fot RATHER tight Starting hands chart (honestly I have to be tight if I play 9 tables)

I'm looking for something like AJ+, KQ+ utg, not oo sure about small PP. 3-betting TT+, AQ+. 4-betting loose Villain with AK and QQ+, tight oponent with KK,AA.

can you recommend me suitable chart? thanks
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Old 01-16-2009, 04:54 PM   #86
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Hi quys, I'm new to 2p2 but not too new to poker.

I'm playing NL25 SH, 6-9 tables and I'm looking fot RATHER tight Starting hands chart (honestly I have to be tight if I play 9 tables)

I'm looking for something like AJ+, KQ+ utg, not oo sure about small PP. 3-betting TT+, AQ+. 4-betting loose Villain with AK and QQ+, tight oponent with KK,AA.

can you recommend me suitable chart? thanks
This is a limit forum. You want to go here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/69...-stakes-pl-nl/
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Old 01-19-2009, 02:58 PM   #87
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Re: Beginner PF Play with Starting Hand Charts

Thanks for doing this Leader, I made a poster out of your charts and I am getting accustomed to them. I understand that adjustments need to be made depending on the table, but what you have here is far better than what I could come up with even with reads.

The only peculiarity that I have noticed in practicing with the charts for a few days is that you have 86s as a raise in the cutoff but 97s as a fold.
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Old 02-10-2009, 02:14 PM   #88
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Re: Beginner PF Play with Starting Hand Charts

HI all,
So I am pretty new to poker, and am just studying the charts and the accompanying text, can I just ask a couple of quick noob type question?

When you refer to defending - for instance defending you small/big blind - do you generally mean calling, other than the time you specifically say 'defend with a raise'...?

Also, quite near the top of the written section when you refer to suited hands, and say
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Most suited hands can be played with one less limper/caller as long as you avoid hands such as 74s, J3s, and 83s in this situation.
Am I right in thinking that you want to avoid these hands simply because they are not connected/of (other than the jack) particularly high individual value...?


Thanks for the chart, and for any replies - appreciated.
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Old 02-10-2009, 08:08 PM   #89
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Re: Beginner PF Play with Starting Hand Charts

In the SB you should never defend with a call vs a steal, but with a 3bet. The reason is to force the BB out, create dead money in the pot and take the initiative.

In the BB "defending" means calling(most of the time).
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Old 02-10-2009, 09:00 PM   #90
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In the SB you should never defend with a call vs a steal, but with a 3bet. The reason is to force the BB out, create dead money in the pot and take the initiative.

In the BB "defending" means calling(most of the time).
so not true

rules of thumb likes this will hold you back as a player. Sooo many spots in loose aggressive games where calling is way way way superior to both 3betting and folding
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Old 02-10-2009, 10:12 PM   #91
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so not true

rules of thumb likes this will hold you back as a player. Sooo many spots in loose aggressive games where calling is way way way superior to both 3betting and folding
Oink, I was saying that in SB 3 betting vs a steal is better than calling. Nothing wrong with that right?.

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Old 02-10-2009, 10:36 PM   #92
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Re: Beginner PF Play with Starting Hand Charts

yeah I know. And yes somethings wrong with that

If BB has a vpip above 50 you shouldnt 3bet or fold.
If the stealer is extremely SD bound (and/or tough) and/or BB is loose you shouldnt 3bet or fold.
If the chip structure is 2/3 you shouldnt 3bet or fold

Or some combinations of those 3. Say a 45/25 rather showdown bound LAG opens OTB and you have a 42/15 in the BB. 3-betting T8s is suicide but folding is really bad as well. 3btting Q8s is suicide but folding is bad as well. Same can be said about K7s and hands like 44-66

Its odd because you mentioned the reasons for 3betting - namely folding equity. So obviously you should adjust that strategy in the scenarios where our fe gained by 3betting is minimal
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Old 02-11-2009, 03:27 AM   #93
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Re: Beginner PF Play with Starting Hand Charts

Thanks for explaining man. Never thought about it like that. Well what can you expect from a 23/17 weaktight like me
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Old 02-11-2009, 05:10 AM   #94
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Re: Beginner PF Play with Starting Hand Charts

hey guys! 1st post now but i posted a couple times under a different name once. anyway, i'm starting to play some limit, and these are really helpful!
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Old 02-11-2009, 09:05 AM   #95
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Re: Beginner PF Play with Starting Hand Charts

Edit - sorry only posted half my post by accident.

Thanks for the replies - appreciate it.

Is there any reasonable answer to my original question:

When you refer to defending - for instance defending you small/big blind - do you generally mean calling, other than the time you specifically say 'defend with a raise'...?


(Bare in mind I am a newcomer to poker really, and at first am only looking to play I suppose a fairly unsophisticated type of poker. For better players I realise the answer might be different.)


Cheers!
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Old 02-11-2009, 12:50 PM   #96
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Re: Beginner PF Play with Starting Hand Charts

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Edit - sorry only posted half my post by accident.

Thanks for the replies - appreciate it.

Is there any reasonable answer to my original question:

When you refer to defending - for instance defending you small/big blind - do you generally mean calling, other than the time you specifically say 'defend with a raise'...?


(Bare in mind I am a newcomer to poker really, and at first am only looking to play I suppose a fairly unsophisticated type of poker. For better players I realise the answer might be different.)


Cheers!
I only skimmed the post again, but in general when I refer to defending, I mean calling.
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Old 02-11-2009, 02:39 PM   #97
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Re: Beginner PF Play with Starting Hand Charts

Hi Leader thanks very much for your response. Was kind of assuming that but that does clarify my issue.
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Old 03-09-2009, 02:10 PM   #98
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Re: Beginner PF Play with Starting Hand Charts

i think a lot of this depends on the stakes. i just moved up to .5/1 and have some observations.

i would have problems following this chart below .5/1. maybe because its due to table conditions, where the table averages are like 45+/<15.

it just seems to me to be a higher variance style to me for those levles. i play 23/19. and i defend like 77+, broad ways, A9s+. hands that would put me ahead of his range vs btn or co steal. vs EP i dont know what i would defend oop prob cut out the lower part of that range.

i find it more effective to isolate fish/limpers w a range of K8s+, K9o+ Q9s+, QTo+,66+,J8s+,A5s+A7o+.

BUt i recently moved up to .5/1 and noticed its a lot tighter and aggro. tables are like 35/18 now, there are more good players and less fish. although its just based off of one session. i was 3betting 13% vs 6-7% at lower levels. towards the end of the session i was changing my focus towards cc than 3betting in position and oop.

is my thinking flawed?
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Old 05-07-2009, 03:01 PM   #99
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Re: Beginner PF Play with Starting Hand Charts

The limping range after 1 limper is way too loose for the $1/$2 games imo. I don't think is too profitable to limp 22 or 98s from MP after UTG limps. And from the BU limping after 1 limper is too weak too. Maybe at limits < 0.25/0.5 it works but at 1/2 I doubt it.
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Old 05-07-2009, 03:02 PM   #100
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The limping range after 1 limper is way too loose for the $1/$2 games imo. I don't think is too profitable to limp 22 or 98s after UTG limps.
I'm willing to hear to you out on this... why do you think that?
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