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06-22-2017 , 01:41 PM
Hi guys.
What is your take on this ?
How much equity you think we should have to raise postflop ?
50% /55% ?

I read and saw some video where they say 50% was enough .

But I thought 55% was better because we should Take into account the times we get 3bet ?

Thoughts ?

Would it change anything if we are OOP ( like when we c/r) with the %Equity needed ?

Thx
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06-22-2017 , 01:59 PM
How likely is it that you'd get raised? Do you ever have to bluff catch after getting raised, or do you just smile and fold knowing that nit has you drawing dead? Can you even tell the difference between 50% and 55% given uncertainty in ranges?
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06-22-2017 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DougL
How likely is it that you'd get raised? Do you ever have to bluff catch after getting raised, or do you just smile and fold knowing that nit has you drawing dead? Can you even tell the difference between 50% and 55% given uncertainty in ranges?
I am talking generically.
If we raise for value we obviously have to call.
Those kind of raise .
There is no nit or maniac involve
So what would be your guess for being satisfied with it ?
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06-22-2017 , 03:03 PM
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So what would be your guess for being satisfied with it ?
There is no exact right answer, it depends on your assumptions. I'm trying to help you walk through how to come up with the number. If you never have to call a raise because A) you're always against the nuts or B) it never happens because villain lost the raise button, 50% is correct. If villains raise more often and you have to bluff catch some % of the time, you need more. It depends on how often you're good when you call and how often the raise happens.
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If we raise for value we obviously have to call.
This depends on an assumption about your villains. We might have a value raise/fold range. In your case, you're saying zero hands in this set. This isn't a given, but it could be correct where you play.

Basically, by going from 50% equity when called to 55% to even 60%, you're narrowing your value raising range -- you're having stronger and stronger hands. On the good side, you're winning more at showdown. On the bad side, you're potentially missing clear value. Being right here depends on how often your villains raise, what their bluffing % is, etc. Even the 50% equity depends on guessing how often they call with worse than your raising hand -- you could almost never value raise turn because the villain folds so often, and so you have to bluff instead of thin value raise. Value checking would come in vs that sort of villain, perhaps.
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06-22-2017 , 03:35 PM
55%
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06-22-2017 , 03:44 PM
On the river, if you intend to fold to a raise, you win 1 when ahead and lose 1 when behind, so you need about 50%. If you intend to call a raise, you win 1 when ahead and lose 2 when behind, so you need about 66%. On the turn, it's 2-2 (50%) to 3-2 (60%).

Practically, sometimes people don't raise better hands and sometimes people raise worse hands so the numbers are not exact but that's the range you're looking at.
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06-22-2017 , 03:50 PM
Allright thx guys
Seem the 55% mark is better than the 50% has I tought previously.
Just wanted to make sure .
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06-22-2017 , 04:03 PM
Vs good raisers who thinly value 3 bet, 55% could be not enough.
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06-22-2017 , 04:24 PM
With turn checkraises for value it should be closer to 60%.
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06-28-2017 , 08:07 AM
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Can you even tell the difference between 50% and 55% given uncertainty in ranges?
Probably not.

I haven't raise folded a value hand in years and I don't think I'm missing much, if any value because of it.
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