Utg posts $12 for the kill pot. I raise next to act with TT, MP, LP and utg call.

4-way (8.5 SB): 887
I bet, MP and LP call

3-way (5.5 BB): 2
I bet, MP raises, LP tank folds

Can't see what we're beating here. Unlikely players here do this with 99 or 7x. With a semi bluff I imagine they'd rather raise flop to try to get me to check to them OTT where they can get a free river. I also raised pre next to act after utg posted the kill, which means they should suspect my range is very strong. Also, MP raised turn when there's still LP to act.

Is it ok to fold here?

Say we had QQ+. Do we call down even though we still can't beat much?

Folding is super exploitable. Absent any specific history I'm calling down mostly for future hand purposes.

Eh, I agree it's exploitable, but I don't think you need to worry much about being exploited in an 8/16 game. Also, this can vary, but in most games players are less likely to be aggressive with marginal hands in a kill pot, so I think 99 and 7x are less likely than in a regular pot.

If you don't want to be folding everything you have here, then with no reads go ahead and call down with your strongest over pairs, even though those are almost always beat as well. There are a few players who will play QQ and JJ this way, so call down with your AA and KK. TT just doesn't make the cut.

A fold here is exploitable, but I don't think that is a concern unless you show your hand. If you fold here most people will assume you had AK.

Never fold. There are a bunch of hearts he can have here.

I guess you mean spades? But then don't even fold the river if the 9 of spades hits? Or the ace of spades?

I call down without a reasonable read. You only have to win the pot ~20% of the time to break even.

I gave villain a range of 88-77,AsJs,AsTs,A8s,KsQs,K8s,Q8s,J8s,T8s,98s,87s,AJo, A8o,J8o,T8o,98o which is mostly various non pure trash 8s, and three of the big spade overcard combos, and also AJo as rare bluff.

Against this range we have 27% equity.

If you take take out the AJo bluff hand though we fall to around 11% which is rather poor.

If you add in a bunch of the big spade cards with 0 bluffs we are 21% where it doesn't really matter what we do.

If we only use the range above minus AJo and add in 66 and 55 for some type of random "my hand might be good here so let's raise it" play then we have 30% equity. Add in the AJo as a bluff and it goes all the way up to 41%.

Also interesting is if you take way a lot of the janky 8's from above which might not be a part of his cold calling range. If his range is 88-77,AsJs,AsTs,A8s,KsQs,98s then we are 23%.

But will villain bet river again when his flush draws miss?

So what type of player is this? It seems that if he is only betting his monsters it's a clear fold. If he is occasionally bluffing then it's a clear call down. If he is sometimes semi-bluffing his flush draws then it's close but I probably a call.

^ try adding JJ and QQ to some of your simulations. They're more likely than a lot of the semibluff combos. A lot of 8/16 players don't reraise with them, especially in kill pots.

That would be unfortunate for TT.

+1. I agree probably calling down with QQ+ and folding 99-JJ. I don't think we have to worry about being exploited here. Villian probably has 8x and waited for the no spade turn. I see this lol line at 10/20 quite often.

I'd need a super solid read to fold here. With no reads given, I'm calling down. People still free showdown raise smaller pairs and Ace highs. Plus the occasional semibluff.

I'm not calling because I think it's exploitable to fold.