Fwiw I don't raise the flop here and the turn seems like a pretty trivial fold.

+1 zillion.

+2 zillion

Calling is so bad.

I find it funny for having 2 sides ( call or raise) saying terrible or so bad for the other option , when in actually I think it's pretty close.

Folding the flop would be the actual one I would say it's terrible or very bad .

Well yeah I agree that raising is a better option than folding. But mostly because folding is absurdly weak

I posted this hand because I'm new to limit and utg ended winning with A 9x after the river checked down. Don't know why he bet flop. Wasn't sure if this was a typical limit hand or not so I wanted to get some opinions.

Call the flop.

Unless he shows a pattern of doing this, you're going to lose more adjusting than you gain.

Count the combos. If he's donking Ad9o, consider what else he is donking, and see what else you should be raising on the flop to be correct in that case, e.g., I wouldn't be surprised if AK shows up as a raise. Now take that raising range and put it against the donking range I posted (which is a lot closer to default, at least in the games I played). It will be a disaster.

Also don't post results.

Most low stakes fish aren't aggressive. Donking here without a J would be classified as aggressive. So, default read is that fish has likely has J+ here , mixed in with 3 or 4 strong combo draws. TT is not strong enough to raise this range; default read could be wrong, and we are so high up in our range, we call and reevaluate turn/river.

On the turn, we have to really ask if its possible if villain can aggressively donk flop with less than TT. Folding sucks, since he may now be valuebetting worse. Gross spot that I would call one more with, and sigh fold if the river is a 'scare card' and villain still bets.

Don't raise flop and don't fold turn. There are 9 diamonds that don't pair the board and 2 tens for gin. UTG doesn't necessarily have a big flush here, call and reevaluate OTR.

If you're going to call the turn, you should pre-make your river decision. Which rivers will you call and which will you fold?

I think that depends a lot on the action after your call on the turn.

It's not unreasonable to do the analysis for all three of the scenarios of primary concern - both players call, both fold, one calls and one folds.

At the table at game speed, sure, you go with a gut feeling and mark it for review. This is now the review - work out all the scenarios and decide what you should have done. And then go back and start changing assumptions you made in the analysis to see how those affect what you should have done.

I'm worried it's going to get raised after we call on the turn, a good part of why I don't like the call.

I actually think it gets raised here a lot less often than one would think, given what the turn card is. And if it does get raised, you often have up to 4 outs.

I'm generally calling down any non-ace rivers.
The turn donk can mean so many things.
"I has 7 and was worried about the J when I got raised. Now that I see another J on the board, the 7 is probably good!"
"I has random ace-high or random pair with ace of diamonds and now I see another diamond, let's run a semi-bluff!"
"I have a Jack and was worried about an overpair, but not anymore"
"I don't know what to do when I flop a flush draw, so I bet it out and now that it got there I'll bet again."
"I have 89 with a diamond"
"I have 99 with a diamond"
"I have 88 with a diamond"
"I have AK with a diamond"

We have either the best hand or a draw to the best hand in many of those scenarios so I'm just not folding.

I'm with jdr.

UTG is representing trips. Donk-raise-call-redonk is significantly stronger than donking alone.

I would assume anyone who raised behind can beat trips.

I'm going to assume anyone who raises behind has at least trips, more likely a flush, but I think those hands are very likely here.

Two people cold called a raise on the flop; weren't their most likely hands top pair or a flush draw?

I would fold the river unless our hand improves to a flush or a boat. UTG is representing AJ and QQ+. It's not like UTG is donking the flop and turn after being raised with two black 9's, we can safely fold the river UI.

If by "bad" you mean "quite profitable," then I'm inclinded to agree with this:

Uh huh.

Ignoring the obligatory troll, raising for a free river has lots of merit. You may get a jack to fold, and it may be a small pair with a turned flush draw. You're repping an a-high flush so if you're flushed you probably won't be 3bet.

lol.

The guy lead into preflop raiser on flop and then just called the raise..and then leads into field when third diamond hits... he has a strong Jack or a flush..FOLD!

I agree with this statement but I believe this is a reason to call, not to raise.

Also, I disagree with this:

If you're playing this game correctly in the vast majority of spots that you encounter, people are gonna think you're terrible, spewy, and overly showdown bound. In their eyes, you're not repping an Ace high flush at all, especially considering that you want to raise TT. You can't have it both ways. You don't get to be read as having a monster if you raise bad hands. Just doesn't add up.