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04-01-2017 , 03:01 PM
Just got moved from broken table

I open AQo UTG

Villain calls in MP, some history with him, he's loose, his range is pretty wide here, any suited cards 34 and above.

Call in CO and BB calls

Flop

7-2-3 rainbow

I bet, villain calls, fold, fold.

Turn

7-2-3-2

I bet, call.

River

7-2-3-2-9

I bet, call.

Pretty standard?

Last edited by chief; 04-01-2017 at 03:09 PM.
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04-01-2017 , 03:38 PM
Was there a flushdraw on turn?
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04-01-2017 , 05:16 PM
I kinda have a problem barreling all three in this scenario.

Villain has a wide range so possibly gets a piece of the flop....or even a hand like 55. Once he calls the the blank turn, you KNOW he's calling just about any river. With a blank river, how is this a bet and not a check/call? 54 is about the only hand he folds to a river blank, yes?
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04-01-2017 , 05:44 PM
I think we check this river and it either goes check check and we win or check bet and we lose.

So I check fold river.
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04-01-2017 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by bipolarbearclaw
Was there a flushdraw on turn?
yes, turn put two spades but didn't come through on river
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04-01-2017 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by King Spew
I kinda have a problem barreling all three in this scenario.

Villain has a wide range so possibly gets a piece of the flop....or even a hand like 55. Once he calls the the blank turn, you KNOW he's calling just about any river. With a blank river, how is this a bet and not a check/call? 54 is about the only hand he folds to a river blank, yes?
His flop call didn't give me much info because his peeling range is very wide here. Overcards, wheel/straight draws, pocket pairs, flopped pairs..

So that's why I decided to continue to barrel the turn since I thought it was a good card for my hand.
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04-01-2017 , 07:33 PM
Check folding the river can't be right without a good read. I usually check/call to allow them to bet jack high
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04-01-2017 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle
Check folding the river can't be right without a good read. I usually check/call to allow them to bet jack high
Yup.
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04-01-2017 , 07:57 PM
Are you value betting or bluffing?
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04-01-2017 , 08:03 PM
I felt there was a good chance I had the best hand and the intention of the bet was for value but thinking back I'm not sure If he's the type of player that would call down with Ace high hands but may bluff if checked to, so I think the river should have been a check, call..
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04-01-2017 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle
Check folding the river can't be right without a good read. I usually check/call to allow them to bet jack high
Ya you probably need a read to fold. My 8/16 is so passive they usually think You have AA if You raise UTG and bet two streets but when You Check You must have AK. You see players calling down with top pair and overpairs etc. In ths hand we have no post flop reads so we should just check call.

I think you rarely are up against a player who is planning to bet all rivers if you check. If they bet in rythym along with a read you can make an exploitable fold.

I sometimes Donk CR rivers against the just calldown types with my stronger hands.
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04-02-2017 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by rodeo
Are you value betting or bluffing?
This.

And this actually goes for all three streets postflop.
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04-03-2017 , 01:43 PM
I check call here mostly to save a bet. Type of player that calls a raise cold with suited junk might also check back river with his weaker hands that beat us.
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04-03-2017 , 02:23 PM
I think value betting river is a defensible action against a ton of players, but the standard river play would probably be a check call at midstakes and check - sigh fold at lower.
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04-04-2017 , 10:51 AM
What we should do on the river is heavily influenced by what our perceived range is after the flop and turn action.
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04-04-2017 , 06:16 PM
I definitely check-call river here. There are times where you can bet AQ on a board like this for value. Here is an example:

Villain opens CO, you 3bet SB, villain calls. Flop 723 rainbow, you bet villain calls. Turn 3, you bet, villain calls. River 9, I think you can go ahead and bet for value against K high and worse ace highs.

In that case, Villain's most likely hand is an ace high or king high hand that may bluff catch if you bet, but is unlikely to bluff. You should bet for value.

In this case, by contrast, Villain coldcalled preflop and just called twice. He has a decapitated range preflop and has just called postflop twice. He has a lot of hands that will fold to a river bet, but might try to bluff if you check. You should check and probably call. (Maybe even c/f if it's a really passive opponent, but I c/c here as a default and you need a pretty good read to c/f.)
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04-05-2017 , 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by asmitty
I definitely check-call river here. There are times where you can bet AQ on a board like this for value. Here is an example:

Villain opens CO, you 3bet SB, villain calls. Flop 723 rainbow, you bet villain calls. Turn 3, you bet, villain calls. River 9, I think you can go ahead and bet for value against K high and worse ace highs.

In that case, Villain's most likely hand is an ace high or king high hand that may bluff catch if you bet, but is unlikely to bluff. You should bet for value.

In this case, by contrast, Villain coldcalled preflop and just called twice. He has a decapitated range preflop and has just called postflop twice. He has a lot of hands that will fold to a river bet, but might try to bluff if you check. You should check and probably call. (Maybe even c/f if it's a really passive opponent, but I c/c here as a default and you need a pretty good read to c/f.)
This makes sense to me. thx for the feedback.
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04-06-2017 , 10:55 PM
Feels like villian has small piece of this board or 55 - 88. I really like when Op actually posts the results of the hand at some point rather than having every poster hypothesize on what woulda coulda and shoulda happened. Im just getting back into limit holdem after playing for 10 years in florida before moving to michigan where there aren't a ton of limit games. Oh and I hate betting river when a better hand isn't folding I dont think on this board there are enough ace highs that we beat compared to all the combos beating us...in this specific spot.
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04-09-2017 , 01:32 AM
Results will give bias answers
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04-11-2017 , 03:01 PM
I am check calling here vs most players
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04-11-2017 , 04:07 PM
The villain showed down 10-3 and scooped the pot in the end.

It was unfortunate.
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04-11-2017 , 06:38 PM
Great villain
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