6 limpers to the flop. I have 82 in BB

Flop (6 SB): AJ6
I bet, EP calls, MP raises, 3 folds, EP and I call.

3-way turn (6 BB): 7
X to mp who bets.

Technically I have odds to call but I don't even know if I have 9 full outs of if my draw is even live.

MP has been very tight, having barely played any hands in the three or so orbits he's been here. I get the sense he's a competent player though. Also bought in for two racks which usually only good/competent players do. EP is a passive fish.

Best play?

Call as played, don't lead flop

I'd check flop looking to check raise 3+ opponents

I'd call turn as played, big pots aren't the time to be pessimistic.

Bad flop bet unless you think you can bluff them all out with a small bet on the flop

We're checking flush draws now?
I bet and hope everyone calls.

range is heavily weighted to suited broadways in ur suit and sets. Your gonna have to catch a spade to win and even then your losing a lot of the time....

Is xc flop better than leading? I bet because I figured that if I'm going to call a bet I might as well bet myself and keep my range open. My betting range could be anything from a FD to a set but when I xc I look like a FD.

I would actually go in the opposite direction and bet-3-bet the flop.

Than it sucks when you get isolated by a players , especially with that board with EP and MP in.

I mean that's the point , you "hope" it goes the way you want because you have the worst position with a bad board .

Better to check and see what happens .

What are you targeting to fold ?
An A ?
That will never happen.

Sort of agnostic to betting vs checking the flop. I probably check the flop but you can't fold the turn that is crazy talk.

That is the point, when you check you still have the possibility to c/r when the action is favorable.

If that's the case, when is it more appropriate to bet a FD OTF?

well..in my case i do not have this problem because i never bet in this spot with anything.
But if i would bet, i think i would need a bit more than a flush draw, like at least a gutshot to go with it.
I mean semibluffing with 0 chance to win without a SD is not a semi bluff but a bet for value.

Imo when a board hit that hard EP and MP limpers, the chance you get raised and iso is bad when it ends up HU or 3 way instead of just checking and raising when a lot of players had already called.

You want the max costumer with a flush draw.
Not to get Iso HU or 3 way ( like it happened in the hand).

But it is still fine to bet, dont get me wrong. It is not a mistake to do so !
So much dead money and you still have good equity in the hand if it ends up HU it is no big deal.
But i just think checking is better while keeping the option to put more action in favorable situation on the flop, or even the turn if the option present itself, while keeping the option of playing it cheaply too.

+1 exactly this


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If we xr flop and brick turn, do we still continue betting?

Maybe I'm a bit mubsy but I don't feel comfortable xr this draw on this board. I don't even know if I have all my outs, or if they're even live, and if I make the flush OTT I still don't know if I'll be good. Xr feels like I'm overplaying this hand but let me know if I'm wrong.

Why do you even bet the flop than ?

Well like I said earlier I bet because I figured that if I'm going to call a bet I might as well bet myself and keep my range open. My betting range could be anything from a FD to a set but when I xc I look like a FD.

I don't want anything to fold, necessarily. I think it's wonderful if everyone calls.

Might as well. See if you have a hope and a prayer of taking this thing w/out SD. If HU I'd probably try it, else I'm giving up if I don't bink a spade. Worst thing that happens is that you get raised and it isn't that expensive.

You may be misapplying the concept of balancing your range. It's not necessary to try and balance a range multiway most of the time. Hands are often played face up when the pot is multiway. It's going to sd so often.

Just play the hand straight up. Discount your outs and draw if you are getting the odds. Semi-bluff only if you have enough fold equity.

I tend to agree. Can't really screw up flop and folding turn is silly.

Your xc range should include some strong hands though realistically not a set of aa or jj. Another reason not to lead (or xr) here is that this is the bottom of your flush draw range as well. No potential for backdoor straights, even if you runner runner trips its with a bad kicker, etc. Bigger flush draws can be out there. Overplaying bad hands is how you go broke in limit poker. If hero checks and there is a lot of action, this hand can be folded.