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8/16 - 2P. Best play OTT? 8/16 - 2P. Best play OTT?

07-26-2017 , 09:59 PM
MP limps, I call OTB K9, blinds check.

4-way (4 SB): K109
BB bets, mp folds, I raise, SB and BB call.

3-way (5 BB): 2

No reads on the blinds but they seem like players who play a lot but aren't that great. Just want to go through all the option here.

1. If it checks to me I'll bet. If both call and riv is a brick, is it too thin to bet again?
2. If either blind bets out, is it better to fold or call down?
3. If it checks to me and I bet and get xr, do I fold or call down? (Seems like a fold)
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07-26-2017 , 10:32 PM
If the river bricks out, bet. You're ahead of most of their ranges.
If either blind bets out, call down. Raise if you fill up.
If you get check raised, call down. Raise if you fill up.
=)
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07-26-2017 , 10:33 PM
Always calling a single bet. Always folding for two cold. Always betting and always calling a single raise closing the action. Not closing the action? Hmmm.
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07-26-2017 , 11:05 PM
Raise preflop.
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07-27-2017 , 01:06 AM
I can't decide if I want to raise or fold preflop but I don't want to call.

On the turn I'm betting/raising for value and calling down if played back at. Basically same for blank rivers.
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07-27-2017 , 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob148
Always calling a single bet. Always folding for two cold. Always betting and always calling a single raise closing the action. Not closing the action? Hmmm.
Calling down a generic SB turn xr here unimproved is pure, unadulterated money hatred and I'd need a read to not fold river. Calling down a BB turn xr is more defensible.

+ raise preflop OP
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07-27-2017 , 01:44 AM
Raise pre-. This is an absolutely classic button isolation raising hand.

As played flop is correct.

Bet turn. If raised on turn, call, as you have two pair and therefore you are ahead of at least some of a random player's raising range and have 4 outs the rest of the time.

Bet a non-spade river if nobody raises you on the turn, and call a raise.
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07-27-2017 , 12:08 PM
grunch
Raise preflop

1. If it checks to me I'll bet. If both call and riv is a brick, is it too thin to bet again?
No it's not too thin. I'd probably check a Q, J, or spade. You might be able to make a thin bet on Q or J but definitely fold if you get raised.

2. If either blind bets out, is it better to fold or call down?
Call down

3. If it checks to me and I bet and get xr, do I fold or call down? (Seems like a fold)
Probably just fold unless the pot ends up being like 12 BB then you can try to spike a K or 9.
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07-27-2017 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Niediam
I can't decide if I want to raise or fold preflop but I don't want to call.
This is a slam dunk preflop raise.

Bet/call blank river.

Bet/call turn.
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07-27-2017 , 07:15 PM
Aside from preflop, which is a huge leak, JDR is right, if you get c/r on the turn at these stakes, you are behind and should act accordingly.
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07-27-2017 , 10:00 PM
Fist pump raise pre flop.

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07-30-2017 , 04:28 PM
I raise pre but don't fist pump. That's giving away too much info.
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07-30-2017 , 05:31 PM
I'm not so sure about folding to a raise. Of course, you win much less often than you do online, but that doesn't make calling unprofitable. I'd need a lot of history with an opponent to fold the turn. I don't see why he can't have T9s that wanted to see a safe turn before putting in more action.
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07-30-2017 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob148
I'm not so sure about folding to a raise. Of course, you win much less often than you do online, but that doesn't make calling unprofitable. I'd need a lot of history with an opponent to fold the turn. I don't see why he can't have T9s that wanted to see a safe turn before putting in more action.
A generic low stakes live FL player showing up with middle two in a multiway pot after check/cold calling a monotone board multiway, i would require a read that they've anything but the nuts.
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07-30-2017 , 05:44 PM
So you put em on QJss and nothing else? What happens when similar action occurs an hour later? Then again next week. How many times can you lay this hand down without a confirmed read? I can't even do it once lol.
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07-31-2017 , 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob148
So you put em on QJss and nothing else? What happens when similar action occurs an hour later? Then again next week. How many times can you lay this hand down without a confirmed read? I can't even do it once lol.
You watch what they show down versus everyone else.

If you're against a thinking player, then worry about this. If you're against someone who has come to the casino solely to hit his hand and fold/complain when he misses, then you can treat random springs into action accordingly.

Simply put, a random 6/12 player isn't thinking about poker in the way that you and I think about poker, and these players usually stray in much greater extremes on their aggressive action (whether it be bluffs or value), and it doesn't take long to guess what type of opponent you're up against. Really, being able to play perfect postflop against ultra predictable opposition gives you a huge edge in these games, and is what makes them beatable post-rake.

I'd probably lose at 6/12 simply because I'm so accustomed to taking defensive lines that are not needed at that stake. If we're worried that OP would learn bad habits when moving up (like overfolding), we can bang into their head that different opponents require different lines. We are better served removing systemic issues, like overlimping K9s here.
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