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07-31-2017 , 12:45 PM

suchj0sh

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Preflop: One EP limp to me OTB, I raise AJhh, SB and limper call.

Flop: As 9h 8c

Checks to me and I bet, SB raises, EP cold 3 bets. SB has cut out calling chips, we both call.

Turn: (As9h8c) Th

SB donks, EP raises, I?

Obviously this is as close to a gin card I could hope for when behind, but both of these lines are quite strong. I'm getting 5.5:1 not closing the action. I only have to discount the 8h if there is a set out, 7's and Q's good as well. Trivial call?

Last edited by suchj0sh; 07-31-2017 at 12:53 PM.

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07-31-2017 , 02:02 PM

mongidig

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Yes.

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07-31-2017 , 02:03 PM

Eric

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But what is the plan for the river? If you are going to fold to a bet, then certainly call here. If you are inclined to call down, then raise here and fold/check back on a missed river.

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07-31-2017 , 02:28 PM

jdr0317

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Could we potentially fold flop at this stake level? 3 bets at any point would scream serious business to me.

As played, you have so much equity (with 0 fold equity) that you really should be calling here and calling fast. Welcome to FL!

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07-31-2017 , 02:29 PM

mongidig

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Originally Posted by e_holle

But what is the plan for the river? If you are going to fold to a bet, then certainly call here. If you are inclined to call down, then raise here and fold/check back on a missed river.

I don't think you should call the river UIP. Even if you were going to call the river, I don't think you should up the aggression until you do improve.

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07-31-2017 , 03:20 PM

leavesofliberty

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Fold flop. 4/8 is a very passive field. They have it.

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07-31-2017 , 03:30 PM

asmitty

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Turn is a trivial call and the other two options are terrible. I would not call river UI. Flop is probably a fold but it is very close and I would call, say, Ax Th 9x.

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07-31-2017 , 03:38 PM

suchj0sh

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I call, SB calls

River: (As9h8cTh) 9s

SB donks again, EP thinks and just calls, I?

SB had made plays like this several times this session, donking rivers with relatively marginal made hands for super thin value (donking river with top pair on a three flush, one liner to a straight board, for example).

EP looked genuinely confused by the action before tossing in a call.

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07-31-2017 , 04:05 PM

asmitty

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Originally Posted by suchj0sh

I would fold river. EP has a very strong hand that wants an overcall from you.

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07-31-2017 , 05:33 PM

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SetofJacks

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I can't fold flop with our two pair + backdoor outs.
I call turn with the world.
And we should definitely fold the river.

By the action I would guess that EP has 88 and SB's super strange line is something like [AT,A9,89,TT,AJ+].
Of course, none of those hands make sense on all three streets:
1. Why would AT donk the river after the 9 pairs?
2. Why wouldn't A9 cap the flop?
3. Why would 89 donk the turn?
4. Why would TT c/r the flop?
5. Why would AQ/AK donk turn OR river?

AJ could in some way make sense because "Flop: I has top pair good kicker. Turn: Picked up a draw for backup. River: A8 no good".

Still relatively confident that EP has 88 tho.

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07-31-2017 , 06:13 PM

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suchj0sh

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I don't find myself in a position to call 2 more bets on two streets in the same hand very often. Flop was close, but I saw SB with just calling chips out so I figured it was fine.

I'll reveal results since they don't change anything and the showdown was surprising.

I fold. SB rolls over AKo and EP shows ATo. Ship 1000000 bets to EP.

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07-31-2017 , 11:16 PM

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Eric

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Originally Posted by mongidig

I don't think you should call the river UIP. Even if you were going to call the river, I don't think you should up the aggression until you do improve.

Just to clarify, I'm not suggesting we should call down unimproved. I'm saying that if the player was intending to do that, then he should do this other thing instead. This concept is widely applicable, so OP should be made aware of it.

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08-04-2017 , 02:41 PM

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dead.money

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Originally Posted by jdr0317

Top pair and backdoor NUT flush draw and your trying to find a fold on the flop JRD??? lmao...true after turn action ep most likely has set and since sb lead out he prob hit his straight or picked up a combo str/flush draw....but easy call.

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08-04-2017 , 02:43 PM

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dead.money

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Originally Posted by leavesofliberty

Fold flop. 4/8 is a very passive field. They have it.

Not all 4/8 games are filled with passive opponents....i see you 20/40 pro fish are still dealing out ridiculous advice to my fellow 4/8ers.

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08-04-2017 , 02:48 PM

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leavesofliberty

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Originally Posted by dead.money

Not all 4/8 games are filled with passive opponents....i see you 20/40 pro fish are still dealing out ridiculous advice to my fellow 4/8ers.

Wonder why you never moved up from 4/8, must be bad luck or something.

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