Having played promo eligible games for some years now I take this position: Promos bring in players. I prefer the ones that spread small amounts around such as splash pots but they all bring in players. At least at Talking Stick the BBJ rarely gets to a huge amount so it's still relatively small but the interest in hitting it is there every time I play. Ofc I'd prefer the same game w/o the jackpot drop but I wouldn't get it so it's worth it.

Neither of us are going to be able to provide much evidence for 1 or 2, but I disagree with both. The games did not get any better in Atlantic City when jackpots were implemented. I doubt you have ever played in a particular market both with and without jackpots.

Number 3 is basically the opposite of what you say. When players hit a big jackpot share, they do not generally put it back in the game. They go buy a car or something. In AC the jackpots were often over $500K. No bad player is taking his $200K share and suddenly playing the biggest games in the place. They're buying a house with it.

You are forgetting that money doesn't come from nowhere. Even if 100% went back into the poker economy, that's not a benefit, it's just breaking even. That money all came out of the pockets of players, making them go broke more quickly.

And it's not even breaking even, because most casinos take an administrative fee. And the players who hit jackpots have to pay taxes on it, so a big portion is getting taken out of the poker economy right there.

Number 4....ugh, I HATE table talk about jackpots! You actually enjoy it?

I played at Commerce and didn't notice much of a difference before or after. My main gripe is that many places don't put 100 percent of the drop into the jackpot. They either take a cut for the house or spread it around to other promos like tournament nonsense. I just want my dollar back.

Howard, I reserved a Nissan Versa, but they gave me a Mitsu Mirage. It's the tinies little piece of crap on four wheels. A Versa is a limo in comparison. If I can make it to Vegas in this little turd, it'll be a piece of cake in your luxury sedan.

I looked that up. 78 h.p. Gl w/ that and GL in LV.

All these are very good reasons why jackpots are bad for poker winners, not why jackpots are bad for poker.

The reality is that poker winners are bad for poker in all the ways you just described jackpots - they make the games worse and accelerate busto, they take money out of the poker economy and spend it outside the casino.

Thanks. My foot was on the floor a lot just getting it home down a 35 mph flat road.

I've played in a couple markets where the room with the biggest jackpots had the most action, and I don't think it was a coincidence.

Seen it many times.

And lots of bad players love to talk about it. So join in on the fun!

Of course, this was true in AC as well. The jackpot chasers went wherever the jackpot was highest. Then the next week they would all go to another place, and the previous room would be dead. There was no net increase in games, players, or action.

No, those are reasons jackpots are worse for sustainable poker games, and poker players in general.

Of course poker winners are bad for the poker economy as well.

Hey, do y'all know the approximate length of time to get money into your bank account from Ignition using bitcoin? I successfully withdrew a small amount a month or two ago but forget how long it took. Also, I used Coinbase, which no longer works with Ignition. I've received checks super quickly in the past (and other times have had it take a week+); I have roughly seven days to get my money and might try that if bitcoin will take too long.

I guess I should have asked this question in the Ignition thread but, you know, I've already typed this much so here you go. They appear to have taken away my online players limited hold'em thread so I'm wandering around in a deep dark forest atm.

I need to know if I can pay the rent on time!

you can always sell your bitcoin in exchange for western union or bank transfer or something, depending on what banks you have. feel free to pm me for more info if you like; i do a lot of money-swaps and should be able to answer any questions

localbitcoins can also be a useful resource if you are very careful and safe.

Ignition -----> Blockchain -----> Coinbase -----> your bank account should def take less than 7 days but it obv isn't guaranteed. Ignition to Block Chain should take less than 24 hours though they like to take a week and a half for me. Blockchain to Coinbase should be less than an hour. And then it should take 2ish business days if I remember right to hit your bank account.

I'll vouch for Babar. We've traded in the past and he was great.

I'll vouch for Babar too. I asked him to help me deposit on some site*, he was really helpful. I asked him to help me deposit on a second site* and he warned me the site wasn't reputable and that he could get me $120 for $100 because people had problems cashing out. I insisted because the traffic on the first site was really low, and he ended up getting me $150 for $100 and of course like a year later they went busto or someone ran off with everyone's money or whatever. Not only was he super helpful but he was more helpful than he needed to be and could have stolen like $20 from me without me ever knowing.

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* Actually, BBB, if you could help me out once more ... do you know what happened to the companies? I can't 100% remember the two sites, but I should try to cash out. I think the first one was Black Chip Poker, but then they got bought out. The second was Lock, I'm pretty sure. Are they still in business?

Thanks, dudes. I'll start the btc process today and if I feel it's taking too long I'll get with BBB.

Personally, I would prefer the casino not take an extra dollar out of the pot for promos, but the promos do serve a purpose. Bad players realize they are lose more than they win, although they may blame bad luck instead of poor play. But if they can hit a "high hand promo" on a day they play, they can go home that day a winner. And if they can hit a "bad beat jackpot" they can win a lot of money. Promos convince bad players to play. Promos bring in players with a slots mentality of "I know I'm probably going to lose, but maybe I'll hit a big jackpot today".

lock was the shady one where we got funds at a discount but they eventually went under/ran off with people's funds

black chip moved from one network to another and are still going just fine - your money should still be there - https://blackchippoker.eu to download and check it out

I like entertaining people as much as everybody. Suburban Poker Man was a GoaT poster.
I didn't want to derail the thread further, but it seems like people had legit questions about "why did that jerk mod ban that one guy". Here's my thinking about strat threads.

• The more someone is here to talk poker, the less I want to get involved. So, if someone is aggressive arguing about poker then, the more likely I am to either just say "play nice, guys" or ignore a post.
• Conversely, the more someone is just there to argue, call people names, and agitate... the less patience I tend to have. If someone is just throwing around catch phrases and picking fights, the "stop it" and the bans/whatever come faster.
• As a judgement call, the more someone is involved in offhand insults with someone else who isn't easily offended (ZOMG or Jon_locke don't really seem to care if people say mean things), the slower I am to be involved.
• I don't read every thread, but I do look at every reported post -- we all get them. If a post is reported and the click of the link to it is "you idiot, *****. I hate you. <meme post>. <insult>." I'll probably just ban the person who posted it for a couple days. That way there aren't 20 posts of people calling each other names.
• All that tl;dr for this: modding both microstakes and small stakes, I generally do 1 or 2 mod-like things that aren't deleting spam posts a month, and maybe less. People here are basically decent to each other, and that's cool. My biggest concern is just that things don't escalate until the forum becomes unreadable due to the people throwing out personal insults.

Here's a secret, it is actually pretty hard to get banned if you have a 5-6 year old account with 1000+ posts. Maybe not in the old Brick and Mortar poker forum, but most strategy forum mods don't ban many established posters. As someone who has contributed (especially strategy), you'd have to go out of your way. Even posting in another forum if you were to get banned, one of us would be willing to go into the Mod Forum and ask "why did Poster X get banned, he/she posts a lot of content in my forum". If it comes up, PM one of us. Chances are it won't, because the vast majority of people who post around here are reasonable people and aren't going to pick insane fights in this or any other forum.



I'm guessing most of the older posters who were banned wanted to be. Some of them asked to be in the "please ban me" thread in ATF. Others went out of their way to get banned, in ways that weren't a surprise. The vast majority of the time, it wasn't just 5 posts.

Sweet. My expectation was that both sites would eventually abscond with my money so this is like free money.

Whoever said 'Poker is a tough way to make an easy living' was spot on. I played 9 hours today, +$520 between 8-16 LHE, 4-8 LHE and 8-16 0E and feel like I've been run over by a truck. Ofc, age has something to do w/ it.

Hand of the day: I raise J-J after a few limps, BB 3's which at 4-8 is pretty strong, something, something, I have quads on the turn and was praying for a Ace otr which would've been worth $2,750 to me, but, nah.

I was +$1 after an hour of 20/40 OE
Waited 15-20 minutes for them to decide if they would start a 20 or 40 hold'em after the OE must move broke.
Finished -$75 in 3.5 hours of 40/80 Hold'em.

I missed a river raise w/ Aces that would have made me $5 in the black.

Easy game.

Apparently, P.K. Subban doesn't appreciate being told he has bad breath.

http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/1...-smelly-breath

#Listerine ftw

I love listening to LLSNL players talk about the 80/160 LHE game.

Two guys got into it and asked the table if we (the rest of the table) wanted to go over to Bay and play. I said I would if someone lent me $4k. They all laughed and then I said I was serious and they all laughed again.

Also, same table: one guy is bragging about how he has way more money than us, offers $X if anyone at the table can prove they have more than $Y left in their wallets. Assuming you actually do have more than $Y, how big does X need to be, and how big - or small - does Y need to be, before you show everyone at the table the contents of your wallet?

Sounds like a freeroll to me.