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04-18-2017 , 11:58 AM
So we've got some hanging plants (couple of ferns and begonias) on the front porch. Since they're generally sheltered from the rain, they're a natural magnet for nest-building for the birds. In previous years, the wife would have me take the plants off their hooks and lower them to the ground in order to water them, at which time she would remove their incompleted nests and toss them aside. I'd claim 'bird cruelty' but she'd just dismiss my objections without so much as a slight hesitation.

This year, I have a back issue (compression fracture) that precludes me from taking down the plants for watering so I bought her one of those hose extensions that reach hanging plants. She'll only suspect the nests if the birds get a surprise shower and fly out during the watering.

I like having the bird families on the porch. I mean, the mom and dad birds are gonna catch a bunch of irksome bugs while they're attempting to feed their fledglings, amirite? The wife, otoh, just thinks "birds don't belong on a porch."

There's on-going nest construction in three of the baskets which she hasn't noticed yet. Telling her about it will surely result in nest demise, but the birds will likely test her resolve with a rebuilding attempt or three.

My initial bias is to keep the feathered friends work a secret and hope for the best. I'm pretty sure she wouldn't toss a nest that had baby birds in it if they made it that far, though she might get aggravated enough to remove a nest and feed unhatched eggs to the dog.

So,

[ ] Don't tell her and hope for the best.

[ ] Tell her and just avoid bird genocide.
04-18-2017 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Beale


btw, let's add him as another reason to visit fabulous Scottsdale! Plus the new state of the art aquarium just down the block from the casino!
Will you text me the table and seat where I can find him too?

BTW "state of the art aquarium" makes me skeptical, being we are so far from the ocean and many critters would die before arrival.
04-18-2017 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Beale
Calls 80%+ pf, calls down w/ any piece, any draw, pays off 'light' isn't even the word.
There's no way he can be WOAT if he has a preflop folding range. Everyone has played with someone at some point with a 100% VPIP.
04-18-2017 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by leo doc
So we've got some hanging plants (couple of ferns and begonias) on the front porch. Since they're generally sheltered from the rain, they're a natural magnet for nest-building for the birds. In previous years, the wife would have me take the plants off their hooks and lower them to the ground in order to water them, at which time she would remove their incompleted nests and toss them aside. I'd claim 'bird cruelty' but she'd just dismiss my objections without so much as a slight hesitation.

This year, I have a back issue (compression fracture) that precludes me from taking down the plants for watering so I bought her one of those hose extensions that reach hanging plants. She'll only suspect the nests if the birds get a surprise shower and fly out during the watering.

I like having the bird families on the porch. I mean, the mom and dad birds are gonna catch a bunch of irksome bugs while they're attempting to feed their fledglings, amirite? The wife, otoh, just thinks "birds don't belong on a porch."

There's on-going nest construction in three of the baskets which she hasn't noticed yet. Telling her about it will surely result in nest demise, but the birds will likely test her resolve with a rebuilding attempt or three.

My initial bias is to keep the feathered friends work a secret and hope for the best. I'm pretty sure she wouldn't toss a nest that had baby birds in it if they made it that far, though she might get aggravated enough to remove a nest and feed unhatched eggs to the dog.

So,

[ ] Don't tell her and hope for the best.

[ ] Tell her and just avoid bird genocide.
Is there a win-win option? Build a shelter away from the house with a proper nesting site?

That being asked, option two seems like conceding the inevitable - she's gonna find out eventually so control the descent.
04-18-2017 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
BTW "state of the art aquarium" makes me skeptical, being we are so far from the ocean and many critters would die before arrival.
JFC
04-18-2017 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Biggle10
There's no way he can be WOAT if he has a preflop folding range. Everyone has played with someone at some point with a 100% VPIP.
Dude opens UTG, the queen of smashing flops 3 bets, reg caps BTN, SB calls 4 way (it may have been 5, someone may have cold called but whatever).

762r check UTG donks cold caller if there was one puts his last bet in 3 bettor raises reg 3 bets SB calls UTG calls 3 bettor caps they call

Turn 8 second club, SB now donks and they all call.

He smoke checks the river lol, 3c, checks around.

He turns over the 82o and couldn't believe his misfortune when 3 bettor rolled a set of 7's.
04-18-2017 , 04:54 PM
No gambol no [bird] future.

Don't inform the wife.
04-18-2017 , 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
BTW "state of the art aquarium" makes me skeptical, being we are so far from the ocean and many critters would die before arrival.
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Originally Posted by callipygian
JFC
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Originally Posted by Biggle10
There's no way he can be WOAT if he has a preflop folding range. Everyone has played with someone at some point with a 100% VPIP.


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LOVE nesting birds. Had them every year on the patio until the tree died and we replaced it w/ a ponytail cactus which is unsuitable for nesting.
04-19-2017 , 07:41 AM
We love nesting birds too. Have wren boxes all over the place trying to lure those bastards in. One year we had to put a basket out on the porch for the mailman because a wren decided the mailbox was the optimum place for her nest.
04-19-2017 , 07:57 AM
Leo, you could try to intervene but that would potentially cause the parent birds to abandon the nest. I see nothing wrong with allowing nature to take its course here. I say leave them alone and if your woman wants to solidify her place in the circle of life then so be it.

Last year when I was house sitting at my sister's apartment, there was a nest with baby birds in it tucked away in a corner of the front porch on top of one of the columns that supported the second floor balcony. While I was there, they all learned to fly and they left the nest. Was kind of fun to see nature at work.
04-19-2017 , 08:27 AM
Bob-

Funny you mentioned nesting on the top of the columns because that's what rankled the wife in the first place. Truth-to-tell, they made a pretty significant mess on the porch during nest construction caused by dropping errant twigs and dried blades of grass. I eliminated that problem by putting water-filled plastic bottles on top of the columns, thereby not allowing enough space for a nest.

The spillage issue doesn't exist in the hanging plants which is why she hasn't noticed the birds, and won't unless they make a hasty escape during watering. I'm gonna leave 'em be and keep their presence a secret. Will report back on their progress. Or their demise.
04-19-2017 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Biggle10
There's no way he can be WOAT if he has a preflop folding range. Everyone has played with someone at some point with a 100% VPIP.
I had someone at my 20 game on Sunday night who easily had a 95% VPIP.
2 bets cold, 3 bets cold, it doesn't matter. If he had a face card or two cards that could make a straight or flush, he's in.
He would also peel flop 100%.

On 2 or 3 occasions he cold-called K4o and flopped trip 4's. Another time it was K7o, flopped trip 7's.
He coldcalled my AsTs open with K4o, peeled a J95s flop, called Ks turn, and checked back river.

He was up 3 or 4 racks when I finally had to take my leave.

Prior to Sunday, I hadn't seen anyone play like that in at least 10 years.
04-19-2017 , 02:16 PM
Past few sessions I've been faced with so many Donks Of Death on seemingly innocuous rivers that I'm going to fold to one eventually and it will be a bad fold
04-19-2017 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by offTopic
Past few sessions I've been faced with so many Donks Of Death on seemingly innocuous rivers that I'm going to fold to one eventually and it will be a bad fold
I'm pretty serene about paying off donks of death. Here's a recent one:

One limper behind me, I raise QTs in late position, the BB and the limper call.

The flop came 775. They both check, I bet, they both call. At this point, I'm intending to check any turn that isn't a Q or a T (or maybe an A).

The turn came a queen, they both check, I bet, the BB folds and the limper calls.

The river comes a 2, the limper donks, and I call. He has 72 offsuit.

Now, sure, I paid off the donk of death. But the way I look at it is he missed value against me. I saved money.
04-19-2017 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by lawdude

Now, sure, I paid off the donk of death. But the way I look at it is he missed value against me. I saved money.
I have another way of looking at it: The bad player gets his 'reward' a small percent of the time and it's enough for him to keep doing it so I really don't mind paying off.
04-19-2017 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by lawdude
I'm pretty serene about paying off donks of death. Here's a recent one:

One limper behind me, I raise QTs in late position, the BB and the limper call.

The flop came 775. They both check, I bet, they both call. At this point, I'm intending to check any turn that isn't a Q or a T (or maybe an A).

The turn came a queen, they both check, I bet, the BB folds and the limper calls.

The river comes a 2, the limper donks, and I call. He has 72 offsuit.

Now, sure, I paid off the donk of death. But the way I look at it is he missed value against me. I saved money.


That's not "paying off the donk of death" IMO. That's just paying off a donk. Paying off the donk of death would be if you'd have raised and villain 3 bet and you called. Seems like a distinct difference to me.

Villain made the absolute minimum, so I'd be pretty happy about that.
04-19-2017 , 06:24 PM
There's no donk bet in that scenario, though.

Typical example for me is something like, open, I 3! KK, SB calls, opener calls.

Q83

check-check-bet
call-fold

Q83-7

check-bet-call

Q83-7-6

donk-call and get shown 95o - something like that.
04-19-2017 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by rodeo
That's not "paying off the donk of death" IMO. That's just paying off a donk. Paying off the donk of death would be if you'd have raised and villain 3 bet and you called. Seems like a distinct difference to me.

Villain made the absolute minimum, so I'd be pretty happy about that.
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Originally Posted by offTopic
There's no donk bet in that scenario, though.
The donk of death is the initial donk(imo) when the bettor catches up on the river.

rodeo is talking about the player that's behind, until the river, then donks the river, you raise, because hes FOS, then he 3bets.

offTopic/lawdude are talking about the donk of death to where we know we're crushed, but still call vs spite raising, because only 3 combos beat us, so raising is the only thing that makes sense.

Last edited by wbatas; 04-19-2017 at 06:48 PM.
04-19-2017 , 08:15 PM
August 21 total solar eclipse happening just north of me. I'll be there for totality and can make lodging arrangements for any of you guys that want to spectate the event. Will also host a dinner and feature a wine or three. Lemme know.
04-19-2017 , 08:34 PM
I'd call you this minute if I could go, nothing like a leo doc party! Plus an eclipse! Which, for you folks that don't know him, doc would especially arrange for party guests if he could.
04-19-2017 , 09:10 PM
About ten years ago I downloaded all the solar eclipse charts for the next hundred years and noticed this one. I remember planning to make plans for it, but I never did anything. I'm definitely interested.
04-19-2017 , 09:27 PM
I remember being outdoors during what was maybe an 80% eclipse and even knowing what it was it was a damn weird feeling that I remember very well. Am looking forward to this one.
04-19-2017 , 09:38 PM
One of the cooler parts is that once it starts getting noticeably darker, the evening birds start singing
04-19-2017 , 10:43 PM
I tried to start a thread in SMP about the upcoming eclipse but it didn't get any traction there.

I found out last night that a casual acquaintance is an amateur astronomer, and he invited me along on his eclipse trip to western Nebraska, including spending the weekend star gazing in some "dark skies" region near the path of totality

If you've never experienced a total solar eclipse, it's an incredible experience, I highly recommend it. I was in England for one around 1999 or thereabouts, didn't really know what to expect, but afterwards I understood why some people spend all of their vacations chasing total eclipses.
04-19-2017 , 10:54 PM
I will be in southern Illinois.

Anyone who hasn't booked flights should do so ASAP, BTW. It's getting expensive and most hotels in totaloty itself are booked (there's no reason to lodge in the path of totality, just stay within striking distance).

I believe places in the Rockies actually have the best combination of weather and duration. Best 2 minutes 40 seconds ever!

Spoiler:
that's what she said

      
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