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02-17-2017 , 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by BigBadBabar
i've always been curious - how do strict constructionists (or similar viewpoints - sorry if i'm getting the terminology wrong) account for all the issues that didn't exist back in the day - abortion rights, net neutrality, transgender issues, global warming/co2 emissions, etc?

or, what about for all the stuff where our collective viewpoint (social morality?) has shifted a lot - slavery isn't acceptable any more, women and minorities and gays and everyone else are (hopefully) treated and viewed a lot better than they used to be, etc?

or in other words, how can a strict constructionist viewpoint deal with all of this 'new' stuff? and, isn't the framers' context important? iirc they were all middle/upper class white guys during a time when slavery was accepted, women didn't have many rights, etc. a primary concern for these guys was cementing their new independence from great britain. so, it makes sense that they wrote about what concerned them, and not what didn't.

but these days, our society/context are different and different morals and issues are predominant, so maybe rigidly following a document written for and by people from another time isn't optimal?

hopefully this makes sense - curious as to what you think personally and what the constructionist position would be on all of this. i enjoy history and politics and logic but don't have any legal background or deep understanding of this kinda stuff.

I'd say primarily states right and if needed you can Ammend the constitution
02-17-2017 , 01:05 AM
So what happens when a couple get married in one state and move to another?
02-17-2017 , 05:07 AM
I think the country would be better off if there were no state governments at all. There is really no good reason why people living in one state should have to follow different laws than those in another. I know getting to that point would be a slow process, but the closer we can get, the better.
02-17-2017 , 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
I think the country would be better off if there were no state governments at all.
Gotta be trolling at this point. It's not as though state governments only function to obfuscate federal law. They carry out a variety of functions that we could never expect the federal government to undertake for all the states simultaneously.

Last edited by suchj0sh; 02-17-2017 at 08:42 AM.
02-17-2017 , 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by BigBadBabar
slavery was the main issue/cause of the civil war - not states' rights
A common misconception... history written by the winners to justify.

There was no declaration to free slaves which caused the south to say we ate leaving, and they fought for years before the central government declared slaves free.

Slavery was a big devicive issue, but the southern states did not cecede because they were facing slavery abolishment...it was primarily a states rights fight.
02-17-2017 , 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
I think the country would be better off if there were no state governments at all. There is really no good reason why people living in one state should have to follow different laws than those in another. I know getting to that point would be a slow process, but the closer we can get, the better.
What is the name of the country?
02-17-2017 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Lurshy
A common misconception... history written by the winners to justify.

There was no declaration to free slaves which caused the south to say we ate leaving, and they fought for years before the central government declared slaves free.

Slavery was a big devicive issue, but the southern states did not cecede because they were facing slavery abolishment...it was primarily a states rights fight.
http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/20/...states-rights/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...=.30dd8d3092eb
02-17-2017 , 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob148
Is it ok to wait for the button to top up in that spot? Would that be the best choice?
Why would it be? We get two cards and they/the flop might become very strong and there we sit w/ no chips and feel dumb. If we get junk we fold. The people who are willing to play a hand w/ 'going home' chips miss out constantly, ime.

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Originally Posted by suchj0sh
Was extremely proud of myself for leaving when I rattled off 2.2 of the three racks I brought with me for this very reason the other day.
02-17-2017 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by callipygian
He's done, offers a curt "nice hand" and I offer the Gentleman's Table Pat and a polite "good night."

Then some yahoo from the other end of the table yells, "I KNOW HOW MUCH YOU HAVE NOW BITCH!"

Classy.
I loled.

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Originally Posted by KL03
That's California poker.
Champion.
02-17-2017 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by BigBadBabar
i've always been curious - how do strict constructionists (or similar viewpoints - sorry if i'm getting the terminology wrong) account for all the issues that didn't exist back in the day - abortion rights, net neutrality, transgender issues, global warming/co2 emissions, etc?
Wat? That crap doesn't have to be in the Constitution. Congress makes laws.

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or, what about for all the stuff where our collective viewpoint (social morality?) has shifted a lot - slavery isn't acceptable any more, women and minorities and gays and everyone else are (hopefully) treated and viewed a lot better than they used to be, etc?

or in other words, how can a strict constructionist viewpoint deal with all of this 'new' stuff? and, isn't the framers' context important? iirc they were all middle/upper class white guys during a time when slavery was accepted, women didn't have many rights, etc. a primary concern for these guys was cementing their new independence from great britain. so, it makes sense that they wrote about what concerned them, and not what didn't.

but these days, our society/context are different and different morals and issues are predominant, so maybe rigidly following a document written for and by people from another time isn't optimal?

hopefully this makes sense - curious as to what you think personally and what the constructionist position would be on all of this. i enjoy history and politics and logic but don't have any legal background or deep understanding of this kinda stuff.
Are you serious with this, or just trolling? You've never heard of Amendments?

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Originally Posted by BigBadBabar
slavery was the main issue/cause of the civil war - not states' rights
LOL, no.
02-17-2017 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
I think the country would be better off if there were no state governments at all. There is really no good reason why people living in one state should have to follow different laws than those in another.
There are some things better settled on a state level. Water management in California, for instance, is something neither the federal government should be concerned with nor local governments empowered to handle.

But there are things better handled on the federal level - making sure that our shared labor pool has some baseline educational level, for instance. And obviously foreign policy and national defense.

And some things better handled on the local level. Since we have abortion and gay marriage in the thread already, I'll just add guns to the mix. Constitutionality aside, the general rule should be anyone you can hit gets a say in whether and how you own a gun. So it makes sense that shoulder-mounted anti-aircraft rockets are banned nationwide, AK-47s are allowed in rural districts but not urban ones, handguns with hollow tipped bullets generally allowed but with background restrictions/training requirements, and non-concealable small caliber rifles allowed basically everywhere. It doesn't make sense for a gang-infested neighborhood in Oakland to have the same gun laws as a farming community in Idaho.
02-17-2017 , 01:56 PM
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I'll just add guns to the mix.
Now it's a gangsta party, or a coyote hunt, and everything in between.

Regarding the repeal of the gun restrictions for mentally ill: I don't like guns so I don't want one. However if I was gonna move to NH, I would want a rifle in case a bear didn't like me for some reason. All that said, I don't think I should have one though. Only where necessary for protection from nature imo.

"You're moving where?!"
"right between the projects and the junk yard."
"you bringing a gun? lol"
"No."
"Ok good luck."
02-17-2017 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon_locke
I'd say primarily states right and if needed you can Ammend the constitution
Isn't "amend the constitution" adequate recourse for your quartering troops ---> abortion hypo above?
02-17-2017 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Munga30
Isn't "amend the constitution" adequate recourse for your quartering troops ---> abortion hypo above?
If there was a federal amendment legalizing abortion I would accept it. I wouldn't agree with it and I certainly wouldn't vote for legislators that would approve it but if it got passed i also wouldn't be out protesting planned parenthood clinics

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Originally Posted by callipygian
So what happens when a couple get married in one state and move to another?
not moving would be one solution, albeit not ideal and unfair. The. Hoping the negative economic ad social impact on the states (e.g. All the events that pulled out of NC) cause them to change their laws/policy.
02-17-2017 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon_locke
not moving would be one solution, albeit not ideal and unfair. The. Hoping the negative economic ad social impact on the states (e.g. All the events that pulled out of NC) cause them to change their laws/policy.
So "full faith and credit" does not apply?
02-17-2017 , 03:46 PM
In LC news, GTO poker makes it into today's FiveThirtyEight Riddler column.

Or technically I guess it made it into last week's. But the solution appears this week.
02-17-2017 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Beale
Why would it be? We get two cards and they/the flop might become very strong and there we sit w/ no chips and feel dumb. If we get junk we fold. The people who are willing to play a hand w/ 'going home' chips miss out constantly, ime.
I can recall several hands I won where I would have folded if I had a full stack. It's not really a disadvantage. Why do you think there are minimum buyin rules?

I'm not advocating buying in short, I just think the need to always have a full stack is overrated.
02-17-2017 , 04:58 PM
Specifically, when implied odds are small (like from the blinds), having a short stack may be less of a disadvantage than when implied odds are large (late position).

I recall a thread somewhere about someone ending up with exactly one small blind on the small blind - in that extreme example you actually maximize the EV of your small blind.
02-17-2017 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon_locke
If there was a federal amendment legalizing abortion I would accept it.
Would this be necessary? I always figured Congress could pass a law legalizing it nationwide if they ever wanted to. Of course then the next congress could pass another law cancelling it.
02-17-2017 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by KL03
I can recall several hands I won where I would have folded if I had a full stack.
But how much did you lose tossing in your last chips the other times?
02-17-2017 , 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob148
Is it ok to wait for the button to top up in that spot? Would that be the best choice?
Yes. Short stacking blinds, specially the big blind is a massive advantage. I'm sure there exists a point where you would rather have say 20 bets than 3.5 but being able to play the big blind with 1/2 bet for example would be awesome.
02-17-2017 , 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Would this be necessary? I always figured Congress could pass a law legalizing it nationwide if they ever wanted to. Of course then the next congress could pass another law cancelling it.
Yes it would. The Constitution says any powers not granted to the federal govt in the Constitution are states powers and the Constitution doesn't grant that power to the fed govt.
02-17-2017 , 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon_locke
Yes. Short stacking blinds, specially the big blind is a massive advantage. I'm sure there exists a point where you would rather have say 20 bets than 3.5 but being able to play the big blind with 1/2 bet for example would be awesome.
I love it when I'm down to a couple BB in the bb. Ima raising if it isn't capped, then I just watch the hand play out.
02-18-2017 , 12:33 AM
Show of hands: Which of you actually plays a hand having only 2.5 BB's from any position at stakes above 4-8?

I don't obv.
02-18-2017 , 01:21 AM
I've probably done it a few times if I lose a big hand in MP and intend on leaving when the blinds hit.

      
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