In defense of people who do this, in NL it's a justifiable counterreaction to the raging douches that call string for the any nano-infraction.

wah wah wah a $1 chip fell off your stack as you pushed it forward fllllllooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrr

OK, but I can barely stand it. There I am playing small stakes to pass the time (a polite way of saying 'get away from dear, old mom for a day') and I have to sit there time, after time, after time. And then there are all of the players who count chips out of their hand..............aaaauuuuuuggggggghhhhhh!

Oh it's super annoying in LHE. It's pretty annoying in NL too. But I can see why people do it in NL.

The funniest is when people take two minutes to carefully count out seventeen $5 chips, then stack it all up and splash it into the middle, forcing the dealer to restack it.

I'd much rather put the correct number of chips in the pot on the first try and never get called for a string. My bad.

In LHE? If you're betting or calling, there's no possibility for a string. If you're raising, say "raise". EZ game.

Did you ignore the first half of the sentence?

I don't like to verbalize my actions. I put the correct number of chips in the pot on the first try every time and I'm not gonna change. Shrug.

The first half of your sentence said nothing about verbalizing. Of course, it is awfully silly to not be willing to say something to make your action clearer and speed up the game. No one is going to get a tell based on the way you say "raise".

Personally, I verbalize, but also always put the correct amount in, and still don't slow down the game. I keep my chips in 2 sets of short stacks of the correct size to bet or raise.

If you're not slowing down the game, do it however you want. If you're slowing down the game, it's not a shrug, it's disrespectful.

Always fun for you to be the morality police, but I don't see anything that Bob said that was remotely disrespectful. He doesn't like to talk at the table. Fine. He's worried that some rules lawyer will screw him on a string bet. Seems standard. He puts together a correct bet and puts it in the middle. Not to Hollywood. Not to slow down the game. Just to be correct and not get angled. OK. Fine with me.

If he'd said "I like to slowly put my chips together as a bet so I can watch for tells", that would be different and match what you're mad about.

Personally I'm not mad about anything, and I can't tell from Bob's description if he is slowing down the game or not. But I also get frustrated by the people who do the ridiculous kinds of counting out bets that Howard described.

Although I do have a bit of fun sometimes when they are staring at their chips and are not finished stacking them but are clearly counting enough for a raise. If I am folding to a raise I will muck my hand so quick they don't even see it and then are confused when they push forward chips and look up to see there is no one else in the hand with them, or occasionally a quick dealer will even push them the pot before they have finished their bet.

I usually don't verbalize and sometimes I'm off by one or two chips. It's still never a string and there's never any confusion about how much the bet or raise is.

Quick strat

Playing live 1/2, two limps, I go to 15 (small overraise is my standard when isolating limpers in this) with KdTd MP, older lady calls

T64cc she donks 18 into 35, I call

Turn 6 she checks. She has like 100 left. Bet half pot or shove?

My second favorite poster is one of THEM!

Pot is 71 with 100 behind. Bet 25 or 30. She'll fold everything she was folding. If she check/jams, what do you do? Is she calling 35 or 40 with a worse T? I think you can have the same leverage with your bluffs with a smaller bet size. You reward her screwplay less the times you fold. You can bet weaker with a smaller bet size.

Anything I say about NL, SL is completely suspect and trust anyone (even HB) more than me.

OTOH I was worried about bad rivers killing action against worse Tx. She's seemed pretty straightforward. Really, I just wasn't comfortable with these stacks and thought a jam was at least always going to show a profit against this player, versus betting small. With normal stacks, I think 55 is a pretty obvious size.

I'd probably check that turn and hope for a free showdown.

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30 chip deep tourney on swcpoker the other night. I'm chipleader by a decent margin but other players still have >50 big blinds. Four handed, two spots pay. Player to my right is sitting out and has been the whole tourney.

Standard passiveish postflop tag opens for a mini raise on the button, small blind autofolds, I'm in the big blind with 82o and call. Including antes I'm getting almost 5:1. Good? I got berated after winning the hand of course.

I always say good luck when someone goes all in unless I'm in the pot or I don't notice. I don't know when or why I started doing this but I think the all in players like that someone is rooting for them. If they're all in that means they've been losing so I feel like offering some good wishes can't hurt.

Well you want to bet more than 1/2 pot so chasing a flush draw is wrong. But shoving often folds a T.

I'd go ahead and bet 45 or 50, just as if stacks were bigger. To be honest when you said "normal stacks" I initially thought you meant a $50 stack, which is actually normal where I am.

I'd even bet 45 or 50 even if Villain had 60 left. I can't even tell you how many times people call a bet with 2 chips behind.

Yeah it just feels so weird to have 1/4th pot left after my bet.

Humorously, she tilted at me for looking at her stack when making my decision.

This is why I like playing with short stacks. Raise pre, cbet the flop, they call all-in, I fast roll TP3K, ni han ni han good luck all in

How do you have to bet more than half the pot to protect against a roughly 20% draw?

Implied odds and overcard outs yo.

Only implied odds if you're going to pay off.

I bet 50 she calls with 47 left and a pot of 171. Am I really folding on a river Q if she jams at 4.64:1? That's dirty amounts of nittery

Against an old lady's donk of death on the river? I would almost always fold getting those same odds in a similar situation in LHE. Seems like in NL the lady would be even less likely to be bluffing.

minraise flop, ship turn