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Old 01-16-2008, 02:13 PM   #61
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Re: SnG Luck Analyzer (Beta)

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3) There is an all-in and a showdown, but Hero isn't involved.
Slim, you are a genius. This is definitely a piece of the luck pie and I'm guessing it wouldn't be all that hard to implement it.
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Old 01-17-2008, 11:11 AM   #62
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Re: SnG Luck Analyzer (Beta)

I would like to thank everyone who sent me HH-files and helped me finding bugs this way. Thanks for your support!

I have a major change in mind:

What do you guys think if we connect SnGLA directly to the Pokertracker database?

Advantages:
  • Proven hand-grabber
  • Support of all major poker sites
Disadvantages:
  • Pokertracker would be required to run SnGLA
  • No realtime scanning anymore. SnGLA would be dependent on Pokertrackers import timer
What do you think?
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Old 01-17-2008, 01:07 PM   #63
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Re: SnG Luck Analyzer (Beta)

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I would like to thank everyone who sent me HH-files and helped me finding bugs this way. Thanks for your support!

I have a major change in mind:

What do you guys think if we connect SnGLA directly to the Pokertracker database?

Advantages:
  • Proven hand-grabber
  • Support of all major poker sites
Disadvantages:
  • Pokertracker would be required to run SnGLA
  • No realtime scanning anymore. SnGLA would be dependent on Pokertrackers import timer
What do you think?
I think SNGLA using the PT database is a good idea. I'd rather you spend your time developing more unique features than re-inventing the wheel. The realtime scanning is a mostly-useless feature anyway. SNGLA has great potential as a legitimate game analysis tool.

Can you make one with a 65/35 two-spot payout?
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Old 01-17-2008, 01:08 PM   #64
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Re: SnG Luck Analyzer (Beta)

seems like you are begging for a headache considering that PT is about to have a complete overhaul.
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Old 01-17-2008, 01:17 PM   #65
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seems like you are begging for a headache considering that PT is about to have a complete overhaul.
I'd be worried since the sites love to change their hand histories ever so slightly with each update just to screw with us, that keeping up on all the site HH formats, plus adding all the defunct HH formats, would a bigger headache. I don't actually know a database from a data port, though, so take that for what it's probably worth.
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Old 01-17-2008, 01:26 PM   #66
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Re: SnG Luck Analyzer (Beta)

Seems like using the PT database would be good, especially since that would automatically add support to the other sites.
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Old 01-17-2008, 01:29 PM   #67
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Re: SnG Luck Analyzer (Beta)

Btw, does it ignore 3-way (or more) allins? I was looking at a hand where I pushed 88 and got called by something like QQ and JJ. When looking at Luck Analyzer, it looks as if it treated the hand as only 88 vs QQ (the QQ called first).

I can send the HH if you want.
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Old 01-17-2008, 02:12 PM   #68
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Foes anyone ever run hot according to this thing?

The skeptic in me wonders why all of us seem to report that we run badly? Is it just selection bias?
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Old 01-17-2008, 02:47 PM   #69
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Btw, does it ignore 3-way (or more) allins? I was looking at a hand where I pushed 88 and got called by something like QQ and JJ. When looking at Luck Analyzer, it looks as if it treated the hand as only 88 vs QQ (the QQ called first).

I can send the HH if you want.
Yes, if more than 2 hands are involved SnGLA ignores the 3rd (or 4th...).

If Hero looses, the winning hand will be set as opponent-hand.

If Hero wins, the hand which lost the most chips will be set as opponent-hand.

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Foes anyone ever run hot according to this thing?

The skeptic in me wonders why all of us seem to report that we run badly? Is it just selection bias?
Good point. This is something which wonders me too.

Although I have seen very hot streaks, one reason might be, that players tend not to push their VERY strong hands but try to invite action post flop. I'm not quite sure yet, if this distorts the results.
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Old 01-17-2008, 03:12 PM   #70
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Re: SnG Luck Analyzer (Beta)

My tests using a direct connection to the MS Access database from Pokertracker are running good and very stable.

Problems I see with Pokertracker (at least at FullTilt):
  • It doesn't distinguish between STT SnG's and MTT SnG's at all. So if you have MTT SnG's in your database the final results will be slightly distorted since the payout structure differs from the STT ICM. This does not apply to normal MTT's only to MTT SnG's.
  • Pokertracker does not distinguish between 6-Max and 9-Max tables. This can be fixed by counting the players at the very first hand IF the HH is complete (which will be the case in 99%).
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Old 01-17-2008, 04:39 PM   #71
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My tests using a direct connection to the MS Access database from Pokertracker are running good and very stable.

Problems I see with Pokertracker (at least at FullTilt):
  • It doesn't distinguish between STT SnG's and MTT SnG's at all. So if you have MTT SnG's in your database the final results will be slightly distorted since the payout structure differs from the STT ICM. This does not apply to normal MTT's only to MTT SnG's.
  • Pokertracker does not distinguish between 6-Max and 9-Max tables. This can be fixed by counting the players at the very first hand IF the HH is complete (which will be the case in 99%).
I think right now fixing this mixing of formats can be done on the user end as long as we can enter the correct payout structure to use for all of the tournaments that we've loaded. I tend to wipe out the Data folder and start from scratch every time now anyway because something in there keeps crashing it if I don't.

Will the infamous "Full Tilt Poker is incapable of correctly writing the first hand history of any SNG" bug going to be a problem?
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Old 01-17-2008, 05:06 PM   #72
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I think right now fixing this mixing of formats can be done on the user end as long as we can enter the correct payout structure to use for all of the tournaments that we've loaded. I tend to wipe out the Data folder and start from scratch every time now anyway because something in there keeps crashing it if I don't.
It looks quite good at the moment, I'm able to get the correct table sizes.

BTW: you shoudn't delete the PFMU.dat - this is the precalculated Preflop Matchup Table.

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Will the infamous "Full Tilt Poker is incapable of correctly writing the first hand history of any SNG" bug going to be a problem?
Don't think so. So far I scanned ~3GB MS Access databases (mostly FT and some Party tourneys) without getting wrong results.

My problem is that I don't have much data from Pokerstars and other sites. I could either release a untested version for these sites or ask people for some HH.
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Old 01-17-2008, 06:41 PM   #73
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BTW: you shoudn't delete the PFMU.dat - this is the precalculated Preflop Matchup Table.
I actually just copied the entire data folder to another location after then install. Then when I want to start with a clean program, I just copy back to the folder where the software is installed and overwrite.

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I'm able to get the correct table sizes.
Cool. There are at least 3 different payout structure that I know of for 6-max. FT and Stars use 65/35. Party used to use 60/40. I think UB/AP use 70/30.
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Old 01-17-2008, 11:55 PM   #74
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Old 01-19-2008, 12:28 PM   #75
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Re: SnG Luck Analyzer (Beta)

New release - SnG Luck Analyzer v0.1.3 BETA

This version requires a Pokertracker database.

Changes:
  • Direct connection to Pokertracker MS Access database (MDB)
  • Supports all poker sites which are supported by Pokertracker (only FullTilt and Party tested though)
  • Supports 10-Max SnG's
  • Supports 9-Max SnG's
  • Supports 6-Max SnG's
  • Supports 5-Max SnG's (untested)
  • Supports HU SnG's (untested)
SnG Luck Analyzer v0.1.3

There is also a quick-start guide on this page and I'm developing a small FAQ section.

Most sites and some of the new features are not fully tested yet, so please don't hang me if you find some bugs. They have to be expected, it's a beta version and a new approach fetching the data from Pokertracker.

I hope it will be usefull even at it's very early stage though.
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