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02-14-2010 , 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by petrovi4
Fixed. Update, please.
how would i go about doing that? When i click on the update link in the software it takes me too a poker website.
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02-14-2010 , 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by zedjr10
WHen do u expect to add full tilt?
Immediately after the finish testing PokerStars.

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Originally Posted by grumpy64
how would i go about doing that?
Update link.
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02-14-2010 , 01:46 PM
Петрович ,а старзы не банят за это? а то страшно
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02-18-2010 , 05:51 AM
Ta-da!!!

Quote:
Hello,

It has come to our attention that you are developing and distributing the
prohibited third party tool known as 'Sense Mind'.

We would like you to know that due that because of this program's feature to
extract and store hand histories of observed PokerStars tables, the
development and use of Sense Mind violates Section 5.5 of our Terms of
Service (http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/tos/) which you agreed to upon
the creation of your PokerStars account.

As such, we have temporarily suspended your PokerStars account pending a
response from you stating that:

1) You have read and fully understand our Terms of Service
2) You will remove the functionality to datamine PokerStars tables from
Sense Mind permanently

Once we have received such a response, your account will be reopened and in
good standing.

Failure to comply with our request will result in further action against you
and the users of your prohibited program.

If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. We look forward to
hearing from you.
I expected such turn of events. Unexpectedness was only that it has occurred so soon.
So, meanwhile I remove the program from open access and I will concentrate on others poker rooms What will happen next - will see.
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02-18-2010 , 06:17 AM
I'm actually surprised it took this long
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02-18-2010 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by petrovi4
So, meanwhile I remove the program from open access and I will concentrate on others poker rooms What will happen next - will see.
Yet I will not finish removal datamining PokerStars I shut down server of licences Sense.
All this time, Sense will not be started even for the others rooms.
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02-18-2010 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by petrovi4
Ta-da!!!



I expected such turn of events. Unexpectedness was only that it has occurred so soon.
So, meanwhile I remove the program from open access and I will concentrate on others poker rooms What will happen next - will see.
it should be ok as long as your not log in right?
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02-18-2010 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by r0eKY
it should be ok as long as your not log in right?
Perhaps, but I am not assured that only of this reason.
I didn't undertake any measures to disappear, and I could be found by many criteria.
It is normal. PokerStars good fellows. PartyPoker, for example, at all is not engaged in safety.
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02-18-2010 , 10:33 PM
im trying to download but none of the links work
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02-26-2010 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by r0eKY
im trying to download but none of the links work
same here links not working
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02-28-2010 , 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by petrovi4
Ta-da!!!



I expected such turn of events. Unexpectedness was only that it has occurred so soon.
So, meanwhile I remove the program from open access and I will concentrate on others poker rooms What will happen next - will see.
re: Data mining...

Comrade petrovi4, what you are developing is bad for our games, hence you have already been warned by PokerStars. I am shocked why you have not been warned/banned here on 2+2 yet and why this thread is still open.

Meanwhile go do something productive with your time; work on your English language and/or write a software to catch cheaters. (no pun intended).

Last edited by M07; 02-28-2010 at 12:17 AM.
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02-28-2010 , 05:04 AM
Why has this threas and user not been banhammered yet.....this is cheating guys....I am all about gaining any edge I can so long as it is not against TOS, but this is blatantly against poker sites TOS.

Mods can we please get this crap off this site????

I'm not sure why 2+2 would want there players cheating.
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02-28-2010 , 10:09 AM
It is not 2+2's job to enforce the poker site's TOS.
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02-28-2010 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by cogDIEsel

I'm not sure why 2+2 would want there players cheating.

They're a dozen programs that mine/handgrab poker sites, this guy is just offering his for free. The link still not working but thanks for the bump.
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02-28-2010 , 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by fozzy71
It is not 2+2's job to enforce the poker site's TOS.
Fair enough.
Just curious, are you pro data mining?

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Originally Posted by clicks2cash
They're a dozen programs that mine/handgrab poker sites, this guy is just offering his for free. The link still not working but thanks for the bump.
Could you name a few of the dozen software you mentioned?

Also, just in case you missed PokerStars' response to the free software offered by OP.

Quote:
Hello,

It has come to our attention that you are developing and distributing the
prohibited third party tool known as 'Sense Mind'.

We would like you to know that due that because of this program's feature to
extract and store hand histories of observed PokerStars tables, the
development and use of Sense Mind violates Section 5.5 of our Terms of
Service (http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/tos/) which you agreed to upon
the creation of your PokerStars account.

As such, we have temporarily suspended your PokerStars account pending a
response from you stating that:

1) You have read and fully understand our Terms of Service
2) You will remove the functionality to datamine PokerStars tables from
Sense Mind permanently

Once we have received such a response, your account will be reopened and in
good standing.

Failure to comply with our request will result in further action against you
and the users of your prohibited program.

If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. We look forward to
hearing from you.
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03-18-2010 , 02:53 AM
Stopping data-mining is either impossible or a practice the sites are not inclined to prevent.

Since data mining is allowed, there is little rational debate about the morality of using it.

I suggest that folks find sites that can prevent data-mining (if even possible) if this is a major concern for them.

But when the site allows it or the situation simply cannot be policed, all "STOP RUINING OUR GAME" means is that some folks are unwilling to put in the effort to use this technology to their advantage. I imagine some ice men got pretty tweaked when the refrigerator came out too.

This is not analogous to cheating, since all sites prohibit cheating and most if not all take an active role to combat cheating.

I believe data mining is a perfectly valid tool. If data mining could be prevented and/or it were banned on a site, I would be perfectly content to play in an environment where it is not part of the game.

The bottom line here is that poker is a game where all players should have access to the same data as everyone else (except personal hole cards). Data mining does not change this, since all players can use data mining. You choose to decline this option at your bankroll's peril.

And one could easily construct scenarios where your "old school" ways put you at the advantage. Suppose you are a regular in a b+m room with several players who just pass through for a few hours. Now it is YOU who have the mental hand histories and the other players is in a totally new situation.

And it would not be so hard to nix hand histories. I believe a simple mapping from your user ID to a termporary player number would do the trick. Now the data mining programs would have to "start over" every time a player enters a game. If the match between those two numbers was private between the user and the site, I believe the data mining programs would be more or less thwarted. Lose the avatars and we'd never know who our opponent is. Every game would be a brand new game and we'd never have any info beyond the current session.

This is probably in line with what you want and seems feasible from a technical point of view. I would not object to such changes. But unless that comes to pass, the pragmatic approach is to do what the dinosaurs failed to do. Adapt.

Jim
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04-23-2010 , 11:19 AM
Петрович, дай скачать , твой сайт не работает )
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05-16-2017 , 09:41 PM
does this software still work or is it against tos on pokerstars
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06-01-2017 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by shyspirit
does this software still work or is it against tos on pokerstars
nothing poker related from 2010 still works bro get over it lul
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