This is a very nice feature which will be possible in the future. When it's going to happen I can't say though.

PioSolver seems to be running slower for me than I would expect. My computer isn't great (Intel Core i5 @ 2.40GHz, 4GB RAM), but typical turn and river solutions for me after a running time of ~5 minutes have a Nash distance of ~0.120. Am I right in thinking that this is slower than it should be, and any idea why this might be the case?

EDIT:

Here's a benchmark: solving the sample-turn example included in the software for 119 seconds yielded a Nash distance of 0.067. I had no other programs open at the time. It should be a lot faster than this right? I think the software is really cool, but obviously with the performance I'm getting, I wouldn't be able to solve flop solutions in a reasonable time if I bought the full version. I'm sure the problem is probably at my end, but I'm not the most computer savvy person, so I don't know what the problem could be.

Well those Nash distances doesn't mean much if you don't include a reference point like starting pot and bets. 0.12 is decent with starting point of 100 and sizeable bets, not so much with with starting pot of 10.
Yeah, this is useful. My dev version gets to 0.061 in 10 seconds. The free one should be more or less 2x slower so probably 20-30 secs accounting also for CPU difference (I have a 3.4GHz i7).

Usually the problems with "this works slower than expected" our users reported so far were connected to:
-Cooling system is not working well: CPU fan is dying, radiator is dirty, the thermal paste is old/not functioning. To check for that you can see what's CPU temperature (download some thermometer, like this one: http://openhardwaremonitor.org/) at rest is. It should be 40-50C. Where you are at it you can see if the solver uses all four CPUs when running.

-Stuff is running in the background: bazillion tabs of the browser, HM creating notes or importing hands, teamviewer etc.

-CPU is just slow. This is unfortunately quite possible. i5 is a very good CPU but it may be some laptop specific version which is slower. Also with only 4GB RAM you won't comfortably solve flops unless those are very simple. For more see this: https://piosolver.myshopify.com/pages/technical-details

To be honest I wouldn't advise you buying the flop version now. Maybe if you only are interested in CAP spots and are willing to wait a lot. It won't be smooth experience though.

Does PioSolver offer Limit Hold'em bet sizing, one unit on flop, two on turn and river?
If not, is it in your intentions to add this feature? It is included in another software of the same kind.

What does this software for me?
The same thing like crev would do i guess?

Also any way to get this for omaha?

It will be available although limit trees from flop are huge (~25GB with CAP 4)

No it's not similar to CREV in any way or form.

Not in foresable future.

Do i view it correctly that in order to get the free trial I need to reuqest it somehow via paypal?
Dont have paypal, so I also wanna ask if you accept other paymentoptions?

Also it is possible to buy thee basic version at first and potentially extend it one day to the edge-version?

PioSOLVER-free got a nice update today. There is new tree-builder with nice visual improvements and it also solves turn/river games with many bet sizes. You can get it here:

http://piosolver.com/collections/fro...piosolver-free

(there is a download link in the product description)

No, you don't need to. There is a download link on the product page.

Contact us by email. We are working on adding more options to the store but it takes more time than I thought it would. Please ask questions about commercial version in our thread about it (because those are 2p2 rules).

Yes. I always recommend starting with the lower version. Updates are cheap (20-25$ above the difference of the prices to cover our payment processing/licensing costs) so it's always safer for you to start there and see if you like it and use it regularly before you upgrade.

Would it be possible to get a second activation for the Basic version? As I understood, one activation means you can only use it on one computer. I would like to have it both on desktop and laptop. On desktop you can't run it simultaneously with PokerStars client on. On laptop you would be able to use it in plane for example and do some research while not being able to play. If I can get a 2nd activation for the Basic version, I will buy it. You can also PM me.

Hi, I'm very interested in buying the pro version, a few friends of mine have it and I think the software is pretty good, but I have a few questions before making the investment.
1- is the pro version going to show Equities as well as EV in the near future?

2-When analysing different lines is very time consuming to go back and forth re-doing all the action selection many times, so is there a way I can leave one entire line loaded and then start a new line so I can open them simultaneously and then be able to compare them by putting them side by side?

Thank you very much.

I was playing with the free version and found that the different lines can actually be displayed in different window, this is great!

Yes, in the next release, like this: http://i.imgur.com/SIqsBYV.png

Yes, by using "open in new window feature". Those will have some more description to make it easier in the next release.

Yeah, there is still some things to correct there but it works now.
We are also adding some reports to compare cards/lines in the next release.

Is limit holdem not supported yet ? I downloaded and played with the free version, there seems to be a tab for limit, and I can configure the ranges and setting I want, but after hitting 'Build Tree', nothing seems to happen...If it's not been implemented yet, any ETA on when it will happen? Super excited by the possibility.

Limit Holdem is now supported in both commercial and free version (from today).
Limit Holdem trees are huge though (full one with cap of 4 and all the lines included is 25GB big). They will be smaller in the future but I can't give the timeline.
See my next post too see what's available in the free version right now.

Hi,

We've just updated PioSOLVER free, you can find it here: http://piosolver.com/collections/fro...piosolver-free

I want to apologize to all the people who provided their emails and were waiting for the free version during last 3 days. I wanted to ship the updated one and it took longer than expected. It's ready now though and it got many additional features so I think it was worth the wait. Here are the new free version highlights:

1)Fully functional range explorer which is the fastest and quite powerful equity calculator (it works on flops as well)
2)Node locking
3)Aggregation reports
4)Equity calculations when browsing the tree

It has now full functionality of the commercial versions with these limitations:
-it doesn't solve flops
-it doesn't support scripting
-it's a bit slower (about 2x but it shouldn't matter for turn/river games anyway)

Make sure to read our announcement about recent update as well:
http://piosolver.com/blogs/news/1965...lorer-and-more

which goes through major new features and changes.

Enjoy!

Hi I just tried the (free) update now,

The selection by individual suits work, but limit trees are still not building. I hit "build tree" for a very simple river game and nothing happens, I don't see any "GO" button and the tree in the browser tab is just a skeleton. Would you like screenshots? I'm on a Windows 8.1 virtualbox installation on a mac. I can confirm that the NL examples work fine.

They do build. It's just that the go/stop buttons are only in main tree-building tab.
Click build tree then change the tab to the main one and then click go.
Your limit tree will be there and solving.

Aaah ok, I got it now, this is great. It was not at all obvious what I needed to do however, you might want to fix that

I just tried the following very small ranges hand on the river for which I already knew the solution, and I got a strategy which was basically 1% off what GTObuilder gets. Not sure which one is more accurate, but it doesn't really matter, they are both close enough. This example might be something you can use as a toy example for limit if you want:

http://gtorangebuilder.com/#home_b=A...s=_stratLocks=

Yeah, it isn't. Adding to to-do.

What about you give me the configuration you used in PioSOLVER? (either click "copy to clipboard" or save current parameters and then find the file in TreeBuildingLimit folder).
I am also not sure what you mean by "1% off". If one of the strategies for some hand is 1% off then it's not a problem (as it's possible for multiple equilibriums to exist), if the EV is 1% off with the sample (low) exploitability then it is a problem worth investigating as it suggest one of the solutions is either wrong or not very accurate.
I don't use GTORB and your link doesn't open for me (it just takes me to the front page) so I am unable to reproduce from your description.

oh ok...that's weird, gtobuilder is supposed to let others explore trees that you create yourself. The strategy percentages were 1% off....the exploitability was less than 0.01%.

I just noticed that I can't seem to load trees that i've saved earlier (both were limit trees), every time i try it says "Server error: solver process has terminated. Please disconnect and reconnect". These files were saved using the "Small save" option. I will email the files to you.

Yeah, error check is needed there.
Small saves (forgetting rivers) won't work on the river as you would forget the whole tree (with the exception of the root node). Just make a normal save, they are very small for river cases (and for turn+river as well although then you can try forgetting rivers if you want).
In your example the full tree save is 152kb

Ok great...just checked and I can confirm that saving and loading works for me now if I don't use small saves for a river problem.

I downloaded free version, it was working when I run it first time, but now its always like this

http://zapodaj.net/8bf8953d0128a.png.html

im clicking the window but nothing happens;/

I have idea what that could be tbh.
Try those steps:

1)close the viewer
2)open task manager and check if there is any solver.exe process left, if so kill it
3)same with PioViewer.exe processes
4)delete pioviewer.settings file
5)restart

If that ever repeats please report, preferably with some details about OS version and state of pioviewer.settings file.

I closed piovierwer.exe and deleted settings and it workout out, thanks