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Old 11-30-2010, 01:01 PM   #1
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Often times when playing poker, you'll run into situations where you're not sure what to do. What range of hands does your opponent have? How will he respond to a check or bet? What are the possibilities for how the hand could play out?

RängeMeister is based on the theory that good players are effectively able to leverage previous experience to come up with good estimates to answer these questions. The objective of RängeMeister is to help players evaluate situations that they've found themselves in objectively by listing similar hand histories as well as the relevant data from these hands.

Using RängeMeister is simple; you just paste a partial hand history into the input screen just like you would if you were about to post the hand in a forum. Then you reduce search results by applying filters. You can create any number of "what if" scenarios and see results conveniently in a replayer.

Here is an 8.5 minute video demonstrating usage http://www.youtube.com/user/AssaultW.../0/tLUrbWhH0pg

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A simulation in action


Data extracted from similar hands

RängeMeister works by indexing the hands that are in your HEM/PT3 databases and storing that information in a proprietary database. Your HEM/PT3 databases won't be written to at all. Once some hands are indexed, you can search for hands by inputting partial hand histories and go from there. Please note that you do not need to wait for your whole database to get indexed before performing searches.

RängeMeister currently works with the following poker rooms:
PokerStars
Full Tilt Poker
Cereus network
PartyPoker
iPoker network
OnGame network
MicroGaming network
Merge network
Bodog Poker
Pacific Poker
Entraction Network
Boss Poker
Everest Poker
RängeMeister is currently an early beta. That means there are likely to be bugs. Additionally, many of the features have not been fully fleshed out yet. Currently, RängeMeister works only for NLHE/LHE cash games.

Some of the things that will be coming up
-tournament/SNG support
-better equity calculation based on similar hands
-filtering based on more stats as well as "caddy" notes


You can download RängeMeister from the download page
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Old 11-30-2010, 01:48 PM   #2
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Re: New Beta - RängeMeister - Hand Analysis Facilitator

Looks great. Nice work SretiCentV.
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Old 12-01-2010, 10:51 AM   #3
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interesting. ill check it out thanks.
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Old 12-01-2010, 06:04 PM   #4
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Re: New Beta - RängeMeister - Hand Analysis Facilitator

Attempted to try it, but after considerable indexing, when I copied a hand history and clicked search, the program crashed.
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Old 12-01-2010, 06:20 PM   #5
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Attempted to try it, but after considerable indexing, when I copied a hand history and clicked search, the program crashed.
it crashed like it just disappeared or did it give you some error message?
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Old 12-02-2010, 12:54 PM   #6
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it crashed like it just disappeared or did it give you some error message?
Im getting this a lot.

I am copying hands from HEM

Click search.

then get a windows message saying RM has stopped working.

I have only got 1 hand to work properly so far.

Have fully indexed.

Using windows 7 64bit
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Old 12-02-2010, 01:26 PM   #7
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One future feature Id like to see (other than it working of course ) is ranges to be displayed in a pokerstove visual format.
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Old 12-02-2010, 01:36 PM   #8
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it crashed like it just disappeared or did it give you some error message?
I got an error message until I figured out how to copy a hand history for it to search. When I copied the hand history and clicked search, the program just quit and windows told me it had closed. I tried this several times with the same result.
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Old 12-02-2010, 01:40 PM   #9
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I got an error message until I figured out how to copy a hand history for it to search. When I copied the hand history and clicked search, the program just quit and windows told me it had closed. I tried this several times with the same result.
Thats exactly whats happening to me.

I was getting an error message until I watched the video and figured out what to do.

Then pasted in and searched and the first one worked.

But since then no joy.
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Old 12-02-2010, 02:12 PM   #10
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Ouch this is not the way I was hoping this would start lol. There's no way to enable the logging in rm yet but I will do a patch asap that allows it. I though I had tested so thoroughly as to make bugs like this impossible
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Install and index fine with W7. Your site says Net 4 needed for NC but I had it working with without it. Net 4 WAS needed for RM

Pasting partial HH from HEM has the same annoyance as with NC (not your fault)

If we select a hand in HEM; right click and ask to view HH we see an output in HEM's own format. If we copy and paste THAT we get an error. However, if we export the HH and then copy and paste from the txt file it produces, RM has no problem.

Obviously it is natural for users of RM and HEM to want to copy/paste from the HEM format because usually that is where they see the hand they want to investigate. It would be useful if you include alternative parsing to be able to read that format or for you to convince HEM to show the actual HH rather than their own format

I tried one test hand I CB and the opponent check/raised and my initial observations are:-

a) Historical Range for alpha player chart has the player name of the check/raiser - clearly it is not HIS chart but the results of all alpha players

b) The chart gave 7 hand descriptions 1 each of 7 types and each one was at the 1 level on the chart. If there had been 8 showdowns and "mid-set" had been 2 would that have been at 2 and the others @ 1? If so, is that the best way to do it? Raw numbers probably have to be converted to % in our mind (well they do for me). I would prefer to see the graoh as 14% for each and, in the 8 results mid set=2 example, I would like 25% for mid-set and 12.5% for the remaining 6 results

c) The requirement to SD still seems to be a weakness to me. The implied weakness as introduced in NC would once again be useful here. There were 22 hands that RM found that started like this; 7 saw a SD as explained above; in 3 hands the alpha player folded before SD. It is not unreasonable to think that he did not have a monster when he made the XR. The omega player folded 7 times to the raise; that is useful if we are investigating the likely success of the check/raise but it tells us nothing about the alpha player's hand range does it?

That leaves us 15 hands from which we could learn something about alpha's range; 7 we know because he went to SD; 3 he folded before SD and that leaves 5 hands that he won before SD. These 5 are what I would call "implied strength" hands because to win before SD having got past the flop, the alpha player needed to fire again.

IMO a more useful chart of those results for hand range would be 1 each for the known hands; 3 of implied weakness and 5 for implied strength. That would give 33% for implied strength; 20% for implied weakness and about 7% each for known hand types.

If we will be forced to fold later because in a particular scenario we often face additional bets from implied strength hands, we are probably as well to fold now if we are marginal

d) Reaction chart also shows numbers rather than % and has the name of the player in just one hand showing whereas this is the reaction from ALL players.

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Old 12-03-2010, 07:28 AM   #12
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Re: New Beta - RängeMeister - Hand Analysis Facilitator

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Obviously it is natural for users of RM and HEM to want to copy/paste from the HEM format because usually that is where they see the hand they want to investigate. It would be useful if you include alternative parsing to be able to read that format or for you to convince HEM to show the actual HH rather than their own format........
right-click > copy selected hand history to clipboard, sounds easier than right-click > view selected hand history > select all > copy, if you ask me.
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Old 12-03-2010, 07:31 AM   #13
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Re: New Beta - RängeMeister - Hand Analysis Facilitator

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One future feature Id like to see (other than it working of course ) is ranges to be displayed in a pokerstove visual format.
I looked at poker stove and am not sure I am clear about which screen you are referring to. Do you mean:



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I got an error message until I figured out how to copy a hand history for it to search. When I copied the hand history and clicked search, the program just quit and windows told me it had closed. I tried this several times with the same result.
I think the error was happening because you were copying complete hands. For some reason I didn't imagine people doing that but now I have released a patch 0.1.0.4 that should allow for full hand histories to be entered. The only thing is there won't be an omega

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Install and index fine with W7. Your site says Net 4 needed for NC but I had it working with without it. Net 4 WAS needed for RM

Pasting partial HH from HEM has the same annoyance as with NC (not your fault)

If we select a hand in HEM; right click and ask to view HH we see an output in HEM's own format. If we copy and paste THAT we get an error. However, if we export the HH and then copy and paste from the txt file it produces, RM has no problem.

Obviously it is natural for users of RM and HEM to want to copy/paste from the HEM format because usually that is where they see the hand they want to investigate. It would be useful if you include alternative parsing to be able to read that format or for you to convince HEM to show the actual HH rather than their own format
Not sure I follow. I have written a parser for HEM's format so any annoyance should be considered a bug. You can PM/Email me any partial/full hand history that is giving you grief and I'll be happy to have a look at it.


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I tried one test hand I CB and the opponent check/raised and my initial observations are:-

a) Historical Range for alpha player chart has the player name of the check/raiser - clearly it is not HIS chart but the results of all alpha players
This was by design - so you have a point of reference. Would you prefer it just to say alpha?

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b) The chart gave 7 hand descriptions 1 each of 7 types and each one was at the 1 level on the chart. If there had been 8 showdowns and "mid-set" had been 2 would that have been at 2 and the others @ 1? If so, is that the best way to do it? Raw numbers probably have to be converted to % in our mind (well they do for me). I would prefer to see the graoh as 14% for each and, in the 8 results mid set=2 example, I would like 25% for mid-set and 12.5% for the remaining 6 results
The way the output is formatted definitely needs some work. Percentages seem kind of obvious now in retrospect but the one thing my brain is good at is insta-convering numbers to percentages so it never occurs to me in a timely manner

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c) The requirement to SD still seems to be a weakness to me. The implied weakness as introduced in NC would once again be useful here. There were 22 hands that RM found that started like this; 7 saw a SD as explained above; in 3 hands the alpha player folded before SD. It is not unreasonable to think that he did not have a monster when he made the XR. The omega player folded 7 times to the raise; that is useful if we are investigating the likely success of the check/raise but it tells us nothing about the alpha player's hand range does it?
This is a great point. I wrote most of this before I did the "implied weakness" for NC which is why it isn't in there. The won/loss without showdown does tell the story to some extent but it's definitely not enough.

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That leaves us 15 hands from which we could learn something about alpha's range; 7 we know because he went to SD; 3 he folded before SD and that leaves 5 hands that he won before SD. These 5 are what I would call "implied strength" hands because to win before SD having got past the flop, the alpha player needed to fire again.

IMO a more useful chart of those results for hand range would be 1 each for the known hands; 3 of implied weakness and 5 for implied strength. That would give 33% for implied strength; 20% for implied weakness and about 7% each for known hand types.

If we will be forced to fold later because in a particular scenario we often face additional bets from implied strength hands, we are probably as well to fold now if we are marginal

d) Reaction chart also shows numbers rather than % and has the name of the player in just one hand showing whereas this is the reaction from ALL players.

Cheers

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Thank you very much TJD for taking the time to make this post
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Old 12-03-2010, 07:33 AM   #14
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right-click > copy selected hand history to clipboard, sounds easier than right-click > view selected hand history > select all > copy, if you ask me.
OMG Fozzy ITT

People should be entering partial hands for the most part though so they can see different possible outcomes for the hand. If they enter the full hand they can only see possible ranges and that kills most of the value of using it

That said, you can still do what fozzy says and then cut off the end of the HH in the RM entry field
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OMG Fozzy ITT

People should be entering partial hands for the most part though so they can see different possible outcomes for the hand. If they enter the full hand they can only see possible ranges and that kills most of the value of using it

That said, you can still do what fozzy says and then cut off the end of the HH in the RM entry field
Does this mean that if you enter a HH that has f T and River then RM searches for hands with exactly those F T and rivers?
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