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Old 08-23-2008, 01:29 PM   #126
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Re: New Free/open source poker tracking software: FPDB - (Alpha2) - 22-Aug-2008

Hi all,

thanks for this great tool, i'm a linux user by myself. But before i test it a have a question. How and for which Clients does the hud work? How do you start you Poker Clients? With wine? Currently im'm playing on Fulltilt within a virtual machine.

thx and good luck for this project.

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Old 08-23-2008, 02:49 PM   #127
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Hi all,

thanks for this great tool, i'm a linux user by myself. But before i test it a have a question. How and for which Clients does the hud work? How do you start you Poker Clients? With wine? Currently im'm playing on Fulltilt within a virtual machine.

thx and good luck for this project.

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Hi Andy--

I run PokerStars under wine in Linux. I do not have an account at FullTilt, so I have never made a full test under wine, but I can start the client and observe tables, etc--so FullTilt appears to work OK under wine. I had not given any thought to supporting a poker client running in a vm until about a minute ago. There is no reason why the HUD won't work for you, provided:
  1. fpdb can see and access the hand history directory being used. If you can "ls" the hand history dir from a linux command line or view it from a linux file manager, then we should be OK.
  2. The HUD can locate the gui window for the FullTilt client. If you can detect the client window with the "xwininfo" command, it should work. Use "xwininfo -root -tree |grep tilt" to ignore the windows that don't matter.
The HUD in the alpha2 release does not support FullTilt, only PokerStars. I intend to have FullTilt supported by alpha3, which should be released in about a week. I expect to have FullTilt support in the git tree by about Wednesday, so you could test then. Alpha2 does have support for FullTilt in the database, so you can import hand histories now--but no HUD.

-->A note on supporting additional poker sites. It is pretty easy to add support for additional poker sites to the HUD--it just requires writing a small interface function. Adding support to the database is a lot more work, because the site's hand history format has to be parsed.
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Old 08-23-2008, 04:03 PM   #128
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Re: New Free/open source poker tracking software: FPDB - (Alpha2) - 22-Aug-2008

thx Eratosthenes for your quick answer.

Nice to see that the hud works with poker clients running by wine. I didn't know that thats possible.
I'm a computer science student by myselfe, maybe i can profide some GUI ideas in the future. Sad that the GUI is written in GTK i like QT more but thats not so important.

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Old 08-23-2008, 07:50 PM   #129
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Re: New Free/open source poker tracking software: FPDB - (Alpha2) - 22-Aug-2008

The following is important who was using the alpha 1 version of fpdb and is trying to use alpha 2:

The directory where the file default.conf is stored changed
from: "%homepath%\Application Data\fpdb\profiles\
to: "%homepath%\Application Data\fpdb"

I have changed the installation guide on the fpdb website accordingly.

If anyone has any problems with the installation you can do the following:
1. Post the problem in this thread. Steffen, Ray or myself will try to help you.
2. Write an email to gmic@users.**************** This email will be forwarded to me and I will try to help you.
3. Post in the forums of the sf project which are located here: https://****************/forum/?group_id=226872

For anyone who wants to know how the HUD looks I have put a screenshot up on the website: http://fpdb.****************/screenshots.php
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Old 08-23-2008, 09:13 PM   #130
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Re: New Free/open source poker tracking software: FPDB - (Alpha2) - 22-Aug-2008

I assume you can, or will be able to, use black/transparent panels, and drop the '%' symbols, etc??

OMG, just noticed that HUD was on a Razz table.
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Old 08-23-2008, 09:34 PM   #131
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Re: New Free/open source poker tracking software: FPDB - (Alpha2) - 22-Aug-2008

Will support for Five Card Stud be possible? No tracker works for that game & I could use some analysis for some of my hands.
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Old 08-23-2008, 10:00 PM   #132
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I assume you can, or will be able to, use black/transparent panels, and drop the '%' symbols, etc??

OMG, just noticed that HUD was on a Razz table.
I will make the foreground and background colors configurable at some time. I don't know how hard it will be to make the panels transparent without breaking compatibility accross windows/linux/whatever. The HUD has the capability of displaying the stats in various formats, incl without %s, but I have not made that configurable yet . If most people want stats without %s, I could just leave them off by default for now. My stat formating routine is kind of awkward and could use a rewrite.

I designed the HUD to support about any poker game I thought I might want to play, so razz is no problem. We broke the importing of stud games last week, so razz is not an option with alpha2.

I hope we can get stud support fixed this week. I think we will have a pretty useful database/HUD combination in the next release or 2.
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Old 08-23-2008, 10:15 PM   #133
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Re: New Free/open source poker tracking software: FPDB - (Alpha2) - 22-Aug-2008

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Will support for Five Card Stud be possible? No tracker works for that game & I could use some analysis for some of my hands.
Supporting draw games in the HUD is no problem. I don't think that Steffen was thinking about draw when he designed the database layout, so we might have to hammer on it a little to support draw games. Steffen has started thinking (think, then do) about how to do that hammering, so I think draw support might come right after we fix the broken stud support.
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Old 08-23-2008, 10:43 PM   #134
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Re: New Free/open source poker tracking software: FPDB - (Alpha2) - 22-Aug-2008

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I assume you can, or will be able to, use black/transparent panels, and drop the '%' symbols, etc??

OMG, just noticed that HUD was on a Razz table.
Don't forget soon after the next alpha (which includes the required postgres support) there will be more HUDs compatible I am sure
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Old 08-23-2008, 10:46 PM   #135
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Don't forget soon after the next alpha (which includes the required postgres support) there will be more HUDs compatible I am sure
Oh, you mean I will finally have something to try your HUD with??

I am right in assuming you never made it work with HM??
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Old 08-23-2008, 10:49 PM   #136
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Re: New Free/open source poker tracking software: FPDB - (Alpha2) - 22-Aug-2008

not properly, yet. not much of an urgent need from HM, unlike this.
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Old 08-23-2008, 11:33 PM   #137
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Supporting draw games in the HUD is no problem. I don't think that Steffen was thinking about draw when he designed the database layout, so we might have to hammer on it a little to support draw games. Steffen has started thinking (think, then do) about how to do that hammering, so I think draw support might come right after we fix the broken stud support.
Five Card Stud. PTS does not support the 5-Card variant.
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Old 08-27-2008, 10:31 AM   #138
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Re: New Free/open source poker tracking software: FPDB - (Alpha2) - 22-Aug-2008

Hi everyone,
Just wanted to quickly drop by to say that I'm gonna be away for another couple of days. Additionally (at least) one of my hard drives is dying. I'll still try to get alpha3 out coming weekend but will of course not be able to improve it as much as I had hoped/announced (unless people send patches, haven't checked my mail yet).

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Old 08-27-2008, 10:54 AM   #139
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Just wanted to quickly drop by to say that I'm gonna be away for another couple of days. Additionally (at least) one of my hard drives is dying. I'll still try to get alpha3 out coming weekend but will of course not be able to improve it as much as I had hoped/announced (unless people send patches, haven't checked my mail yet).

Cheers, Steffen
Postgres?
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Old 08-28-2008, 03:37 PM   #140
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Postgres?
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Easiest way to get it on Mac? (damn it pyGTK)
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Old 08-28-2008, 04:05 PM   #141
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Re: New Free/open source poker tracking software: FPDB - (Alpha2) - 22-Aug-2008

YoureToast,

it's not even weekend yet. As Steffen had only 3 days this week for any development I doubt that Postgres will already be available.

Have you tried installing fpdb on windows using the install guide (http://fpdb.****************/docs-install-windows.php)?

I know that it looks very long and complicated but the installation takes less than 5 minutes for me (I have the needed software packeges downloaded already) so I assume that a person who has never done it before might need 20 minutes (not including downloading the needed software packages) to complete the installation.

Actually an installer for fpdb is not even needed in my opinion. Getting fpdb to run required 2 things:
1. A set up environment for fpdb to run in (those packeges like MySQL and GTK+)
2. The actual fpdb which is just a bunch of scripts zipped in a folder

The good thing is that you need to set up the environment only once!
After that is done you can download new versions of fpdb when they are released and just have to double click on fpdb.py to start it. There is no installation procedure for fpdb other than unzipping a folder to a destination of your choice.

YoureToast, if you had difficulties setting up the environment for fpdb under windows or find that any part of the installation guide is difficult to understand or even wrong then please post it here. If you want I can guide you through the process of setting up the environment live through ICQ or the instant messenger you use.

Anyone who needs help just PM me or post here and I will try to guide you through the installation and answer any questions.
I am happy about all feedback I can get on the install guide as only then I can know what people struggle with and what needs to be improved first. Having said that there is a lot of stuff that I want to change and improve about the website of fpdb. I want to talk with Steffen about it first though and right now this is not possible. After he is back I will talk with him and try to change the website to the better.


Lord_ZealoN,

I don't have a Mac so I am not able to help you as much. Which problems have you experienced while trying to get fpdb to run?
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Old 08-28-2008, 04:08 PM   #142
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YoureToast,

it's not even weekend yet. As Steffen had only 3 days this week for any development I doubt that Postgres will already be available.

Have you tried installing fpdb on windows using the install guide (http://fpdb.****************/docs-install-windows.php)?

I know that it looks very long and complicated but the installation takes less than 5 minutes for me (I have the needed software packeges downloaded already) so I assume that a person who has never done it before might need 20 minutes (not including downloading the needed software packages) to complete the installation.

Actually an installer for fpdb is not even needed in my opinion. Getting fpdb to run required 2 things:
1. A set up environment for fpdb to run in (those packeges like MySQL and GTK+)
2. The actual fpdb which is just a bunch of scripts zipped in a folder

The good thing is that you need to set up the environment only once!
After that is done you can download new versions of fpdb when they are released and just have to double click on fpdb.py to start it. There is no installation for procedure for fpdb other than unzipping a folder to a destination of your choice.

YoureToast, if you had difficulties setting up the environment for fpdb under windows or find that any part of the installation guide is difficult to understand or even wrong then please post it here. If you want I can guide you through the process of setting up the environment live through ICQ or the instant messenger you use.

Anyone who needs help just PM me or post here and I will try to guide you through the installation and answer any questions.
I am happy about all feedback I can get on the install guide as only then I can know what people struggle with and what needs to be improved first. Having said that there is a lot of stuff that I want to change and improve about the website of fpdb. I want to talk with Steffen about it first though and right now this is not possible. After he is back I will talk with him and try to change the website to the better.


Lord_ZealoN,

I don't have a Mac so I am not able to help you as much. Which problems have you experienced while trying to get fpdb to run?
My troubles was primary with pygtk. I can't find the way to have installed.
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Old 08-28-2008, 04:09 PM   #143
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YoureToast,

it's not even weekend yet. As Steffen had only 3 days this week for any development I doubt that Postgres will already be available.

Have you tried installing fpdb on windows using the install guide (http://fpdb.****************/docs-install-windows.php)?

I know that it looks very long and complicated but the installation takes less than 5 minutes for me (I have the needed software packeges downloaded already) so I assume that a person who has never done it before might need 20 minutes (not including downloading the needed software packages) to complete the installation.

Actually an installer for fpdb is not even needed in my opinion. Getting fpdb to run required 2 things:
1. A set up environment for fpdb to run in (those packeges like MySQL and GTK+)
2. The actual fpdb which is just a bunch of scripts zipped in a folder

The good thing is that you need to set up the environment only once!
After that is done you can download new versions of fpdb when they are released and just have to double click on fpdb.py to start it. There is no installation for procedure for fpdb other than unzipping a folder to a destination of your choice.

YoureToast, if you had difficulties setting up the environment for fpdb under windows or find that any part of the installation guide is difficult to understand or even wrong then please post it here. If you want I can guide you through the process of setting up the environment live through ICQ or the instant messenger you use.

Anyone who needs help just PM me or post here and I will try to guide you through the installation and answer any questions.
I am happy about all feedback I can get on the install guide as only then I can know what people struggle with and what needs to be improved first. Having said that there is a lot of stuff that I want to change and improve about the website of fpdb. I want to talk with Steffen about it first though and right now this is not possible. After he is back I will talk with him and try to change the website to the better.


Lord_ZealoN,

I don't have a Mac so I am not able to help you as much. Which problems have you experienced while trying to get fpdb to run?
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Yes I tried...twice with no luck. The biggest problem is that there no evidence of where I went wrong. The other problem I have is that if I have this problem (someone who knows their way around an operating system), no doubt others will as well, which makes the prospect of a lot of new users unlikely.

The bottom line is that there are way too many steps for the average user to get this thing rolling. At this stage, its fine but eventually that is an issue that needs to be addressed.
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Old 08-28-2008, 04:14 PM   #144
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Lol yourtoast, you should try installing on a gentoo box that hasn't had updates to certainpackages for a couple years because "it seems to be working OK, and Idon't wanna break it"

After a wekk of carefully going thru updates (python 2.5 wanted to update somthing like 50 installed packages!), I am nearly there! I knew there was a reason I should have been updating things as new versions came out
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Old 08-28-2008, 04:31 PM   #145
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Re: New Free/open source poker tracking software: FPDB - (Alpha2) - 22-Aug-2008

Lord_ZealoN,

Can this maybe help? http://faq.pygtk.org/index.py?req=sh...=faq01.019.htp


YoureToast,

sorry, I must rephrase what I meant in my last post. For the actual fpdb I don't think an installer is needed. For the environment (which needs to be set up befor the first use of fpdb) I agree with you that an installer is very important.

We do try to find a way to make the set up of the environment as painless as possible but I can't say that in a week there will be an installer. We are still working towards it, we are not standing still.

YoureToast, check your PMs. We can set up a time when can help you to install the fpdp environment.
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Old 08-28-2008, 07:47 PM   #146
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Re: New Free/open source poker tracking software: FPDB - (Alpha2) - 22-Aug-2008

I am also having trouble instaling in wondows !!!
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Old 08-28-2008, 08:51 PM   #147
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One, don't underestimate the KISS (keep it simple stupid) method. The Windows install documentation is 31 steps long. The average person would find that too complicated to undertake. And it is the average person that this project needs. I think the average person would love to do what they are use to doing just clicking one button that says download. Then cha-ching everything, and I do mean everything, is loaded in one simple step. IMHO this project is just too complicated at this point. This project needs tons of people testing/trying/suggesting/debugging/coding etc. I think the average person would love to look under the hood but if you can't even find the hood release you are screwed.
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Old 08-28-2008, 09:04 PM   #148
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FWIW - I use Paquet Builder for my graphics mod installers. I am fairly certain I don't use 5% of the installers capabilities. I would think it could help simplify installation to some degree. I used the freeware version for a long time, but the full version was only ~$70.

http://www.gdgsoft.com/pb/

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Old 08-28-2008, 09:58 PM   #149
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FWIW - I use Paquet Builder for my graphics mod installers. I am fairly certain I don't use 5% of the installers capabilities. I would think it could help simplify installation to some degree. I used the freeware version for a long time, but the full version was only ~$70.

http://www.gdgsoft.com/pb/
I agree that this is too hard to install on windows right now. For now, I think I need to spend my time making it useful, rather than making it easy to install. When I get a few more things beaten in to shape, I will stop and see if I set up a easy windows installer. I am NOT a windows guy and have no experience with these installers, but I'll give it a rip. I am sure I will receive plenty of feedback on my result.

I went through the windows install a couple of days ago and the only thing that got me hung up was that I needed to reboot when I was finished. After the reboot everything worked normally. I don't like the idea that we are suggesting that people make manual changes to their path, and type things on the command line. I just know somebody will blow up their pc and blame us.

I have the HUD working on Windows now--getting it to work on Windows was much more difficult and took much longer than I expected, probably because I don't know Windows very well. I need to smooth a few rough edges and I think we'll have a useful HUD in Windows and Linux for the next alpha release. None of these changes are in the git tree yet.

I have not looked at postgeSQL or Full Tilt support yet. I don't think the HUD will be supporting either by the next alpha release.
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Re: New Free/open source poker tracking software: FPDB - (Alpha2) - 22-Aug-2008

2tonbobby,

Regarding your point about about the installation guide being too long and thus too complicated I would like to ask you not to mix up length and complexity.
The guide is now longer than it was before but most of the space is taken up by screenshots. In my opinion the guide is now a lot easier to follow then it was with the old version.

I should be at my computer around 9:00 p.m. UST. If you like I will try to help you with the installation. In this case please just send me the screenname of your instant messenger. If you don't use an instant messenger we can meet on IRC.


fozzy71,

thanks for the hint. Paquet builder seems to be a good option but as you said it is not free. Right now I am looking into NSIS. This is an installer builder which is used by many software developers. I hope that I will be able to find out soon if it does what we need to do. Right now NSIS seems like the best bet for building a good fpdb installer.
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