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Kuta · 02-02-2012, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Saxophone

Kuta- proposition is ! This really would be magic if we could ban pokerroom (on our own choice) that you dont support yet. I'm sure there is a way around that just using windows tools, but i dont know anything about it... Other solution is uninstalling everything which is already something i should have done ;<

That's exactly what I meant. Not automatic ban the rooms (at least not for now) but a manual way to block them. So that everyone could decide on
his own to do it.

BTW, if you the find the way with a windows tool, please let me know.

Temporary, this would be a good alternative.

suic!deking · 02-02-2012, 11:30 PM

Just uploaded a new build to the site, BUT I'm not pushing it out as an auto update because I want to find/fix the bug causing people's settings to erase each time they update. This new build has:

Fixes for the new iPoker UI
Fix for certain Tournaments
Tooltip now auto displays at session start
Tooltip remembers placement

I'll add in the "force to top" option late next week. Still working on some other bug reports.

S!K

Saxophone · 02-03-2012, 03:58 AM

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I'd rather not get into blocking .exe's. It is very dangerous imo; i.e. I will inevitably have tournament players that got locked out of an active tournament.

Cant you make it so its our own decision to do so ? Or some tips to do it by ourselves manually as Kuta said ?

About Party.fr, there is no difference between it but there are other sites using the same skin ui than party.fr in france. Would it work with them even if they are not called Party.fr though work the same way and are on the same network?
Thanks again for your work S!K

suic!deking · 02-03-2012, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Saxophone

Cant you make it so its our own decision to do so ? Or some tips to do it by ourselves manually as Kuta said ?

The problem is that people don't read. There are people who are shocked/upset when TB closes their tables and keeps them from playing - which is obv the point of the software.

Yes, this is there fault, but they still end up posting on forums about how "awful" TB is. Now imagine the frequency of such things when we block the entire .exe and inadvertently kill active tournaments. It just isn't a good solution.

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About Party.fr, there is no difference between it but there are other sites using the same skin ui than party.fr in france. Would it work with them even if they are not called Party.fr though work the same way and are on the same network?
Thanks again for your work S!K

Theoretically yes, it should work on the entire network as long as they are using the same framework.

S!K

Saxophone · 02-03-2012, 03:08 PM

yeah i understand you completely but do you have any idea how we could do it without using your software? it must be possible to create a batch file or a task that automatically close those .exe no? Or another solution using windows tools ?

MauMau · 02-03-2012, 05:23 PM

so sick no sng support so far - would snapbuy but without working support i have to pass

retroguy · 02-04-2012, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MauMau

so sick no sng support so far - would snapbuy but without working support i have to pass

it does have some sng support. i have been harassing S!K for about a year about it and he got round to the filter block to set your buyin limits. and im pretty sure he is working on/ has plans to work on integrating a system for autobreaking when rules are met for sngs

Saxophone · 02-04-2012, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by retroguy

it does have some sng support. i have been harassing S!K for about a year about it and he got round to the filter block to set your buyin limits. and im pretty sure he is working on/ has plans to work on integrating a system for autobreaking when rules are met for sngs

hey retroguy, can you extrapolate ? i was thinking about using this feature to use sng with tiltbreaker too. Like you put whatever limit you want to play and make the filter impossible to edit using the filter feature?

does that work for every supported sites?

suic!deking · 02-04-2012, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Saxophone

yeah i understand you completely but do you have any idea how we could do it without using your software? it must be possible to create a batch file or a task that automatically close those .exe no? Or another solution using windows tools ?

Sounds like a cop out, but no I honestly don't.

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Originally Posted by MauMau

so sick no sng support so far - would snapbuy but without working support i have to pass

Tournament support is our next major addition. We will start working on it this month and should release in March (barring any major breaks from a poker site update).

Out of curiosity, how do you envision a Tournament Stop Loss working? The more in-depth of an answer you can provide the better.

^^Open question for anyone^^ - I ask because when you really stop and think about how Tournament support can work there are some interesting intricacies.

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Originally Posted by retroguy

it does have some sng support. i have been harassing S!K for about a year about it and he got round to the filter block to set your buyin limits. and im pretty sure he is working on/ has plans to work on integrating a system for autobreaking when rules are met for sngs

True statement.

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Originally Posted by Saxophone

hey retroguy, can you extrapolate ? i was thinking about using this feature to use sng with tiltbreaker too. Like you put whatever limit you want to play and make the filter impossible to edit using the filter feature?

does that work for every supported sites?

Basically the idea is to use the poker site's own filters to your advantage. The premise of a filter is to only show what you want to play, and thus hide everything else. So, If you setup the poker site filters to only show games you should be playing you can then use Tilt Breaker to block the filter from opening, thus "locking" it. Hence the filter lock tagline "you can't play what you can't see".

It works for Stars and iPoker; still need to figure out a meaningful solution for MicroGaming. Let me know if you have any more questions on that.

S!K

retroguy · 02-04-2012, 10:21 PM

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Tournament support is our next major addition. We will start working on it this month and should release in March (barring any major breaks from a poker site update).

Out of curiosity, how do you envision a Tournament Stop Loss working? The more in-depth of an answer you can provide the better.

^^Open question for anyone^^ - I ask because when you really stop and think about how Tournament support can work there are some interesting intricacies.

do you mean in a programming sense? or like what kind of stoplosses ppl want?

suic!deking · 02-05-2012, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by retroguy

do you mean in a programming sense? or like what kind of stoplosses ppl want?

Your original post is what I am looking for

S!K

suic!deking · 02-05-2012, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by suic!deking

I've been brainstorming on the implementation for tournament support, and have hit a few snags that I am trying to get feedback on.

So the basic concept is that the Stop Loss values for tournament support will work the same way as it does for cash. You set your Stop Loss to $x, and when you reach that amount, TB goes into lockdown. However, there is a major loophole with tournaments. There is no way for TB to "see" how many tournaments you registered for until the tournament actually starts and a Hand History is made. Which means a user can technically just register for as many tournaments as they want right before they are about to hit their stop loss. This doesn't apply to cash because it doesn't matter how many tables you open before a stop loss is hit, once you hit a stop loss all those table are getting auto-closed; however TB won't touch tournaments for obv reasons.

I am trying to figure out a way to prevent that loophole, or at least mitigate the risk, without having to resort to automatically unregistering users from tournaments. Automatically unregistering would be very messy and error prone. My idea so far is to have two Stop Losses for Tournaments by having a Soft and Hard stop loss. Ok, so let's say you set a $200 Soft Stop Loss and a $350 Hard Stop Loss

If you lose > $200, you enter a Soft lockdown. Registering functions are blocked, BUT TB will continue to attribute wins/losses to your balance. If you win enough to the point where your win/loss $ is < $250, you will be able to register for tournaments again. No timer would come up when you hit a Soft Lockdown, you will either win enough to get out of it or have to wait out your Session Discriminator time. We'll probably have to put a separate Session Discriminator in place for tournaments.
If you end up losing > $400, it will be business as usual with buy-in options blocked until your lockdown time is over. You won't be able to spew register b/c you will already be prevented from doing so during the Soft Stop Loss.

You could still spew register right before the Soft Stop Loss, but the idea here is that you would set the Soft Stop Loss lower than your true stop loss since you still have the ability to win your way out of it, while setting your true stop loss value at the Hard Stop Loss, with the gap between the two mitigating the risk of spew registering.

Make sense to anybody else?

S!K

This is my original post on Tournament Support implementation to give you guys a starting point. Although I think the above solution would be practical/effective, I am not sure that it would be intuitive. I don't want people to have to rely on tutorials to understand how to use TB.

S!K

retroguy · 02-05-2012, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by suic!deking

Your original post is what I am looking for

S!K

lmao. dam, i was trying to word it better then thought i was answering a question nobody asked.

I have had a few thoughts about this so here they are.

First thought was if there would be a way to get tb to watch the 'registered in tournaments' popup. but then i didnt know if other sites have a similar thing.

next i came up with a method of blocking registry from the main lobby (like the filter lock) and getting tb to count tournaments by the window class of tournament lobby popups.

* use the filter lock to set your preferred game
* have an option in TB to select your maximum buyin
* add to the filter lock making it block registration from the main lobby
* you are then forced to open the tournament lobby to register.
* tb can then count the tournament lobbies through window classes and use this as an initial count of stoploss. kinda like your idea for a soft lock

finally i wondered if you could block manual registration for tournaments and go with a solution like tableninjas sng sensei.

Underberg · 02-05-2012, 12:33 PM

Hi,my setting : (T) if i lose 30 bb close table .
Now i am 4tabling and lose at 2 tables 30 bb (30 + 30),but only the first table i have played,will be closed.
I thought ,this setting is valid for each table individual. So 2 tables must be closed.
Am i wrong?
thx4answer!

reddev · 02-05-2012, 10:22 PM

Hi again s!k any idea why I'm not getting sat out yet when I hit a lockout?

Cheers