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Old 09-25-2013, 06:28 PM   #101
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Re: Table Optimizer

there will be option to show your stack in big blinds in hud.

this would be very nice.
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Old 09-25-2013, 08:10 PM   #102
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I was thinking about saving our options in files to load them in future
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:16 AM   #103
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is there anyway to disable the ripple forward?
other than that I really like the Zoom stack
What do you mean by ripple forward?
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Old 09-26-2013, 05:21 AM   #104
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Re: Table Optimizer

Another Qeustion,

Say i create 3 slots and play stacked. In the 1st slot i want to have all my tables.

Then i want to create a hotkey for each of the slots, so that i can pull/drag/use hotkey to switch tables into the other slots.

Say i play a 9m sng. Have all my games in slot 1. Then one game gets to the bubble and i want to drag it to slot 2 and have it stay there? Is that possible.

Also say im filing up slot 3 with one game. Then two more games gets to the bubble, is it then possible to have two games in slot 2 and two games in slot 3 and then the rest in slot 1 which i the original stack.

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Old 09-26-2013, 05:48 AM   #105
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Another Qeustion,

Say i create 3 slots and play stacked. In the 1st slot i want to have all my tables.

Then i want to create a hotkey for each of the slots, so that i can pull/drag/use hotkey to switch tables into the other slots.

Say i play a 9m sng. Have all my games in slot 1. Then one game gets to the bubble and i want to drag it to slot 2 and have it stay there? Is that possible.

Also say im filing up slot 3 with one game. Then two more games gets to the bubble, is it then possible to have two games in slot 2 and two games in slot 3 and then the rest in slot 1 which i the original stack.

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You can't move more than one table to slot however it's possible to make such layout by setting multiple slots in same position.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:18 AM   #106
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You can't move more than one table to slot however it's possible to make such layout by setting multiple slots in same position.
Great idea. Would it be possible to add that feature, so that you could have more tables in each slot?
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Old 09-26-2013, 10:07 AM   #107
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is there anyway to disable the ripple forward?
other than that I really like the Zoom stack
I think what you want is for the "sort slots" box to be unchecked. I hate it when all the "action" tables move.
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Old 09-26-2013, 04:01 PM   #108
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Great idea. Would it be possible to add that feature, so that you could have more tables in each slot?
What I meant in my post is that you can currently do something like that:

This layout should work as you want if you put the slots on each other.

In order to put multiple tables in one slot I would have to completely redesign stack/slot system so I'm not going to do that.
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Old 09-26-2013, 09:10 PM   #109
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Right now I use another smart tiler program but it starts to lag around 50-60 tables it is very system intensive. Would this program have the same problem?
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Old 09-27-2013, 06:01 AM   #110
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Right now I use another smart tiler program but it starts to lag around 50-60 tables it is very system intensive. Would this program have the same problem?
Probably not, try it and see for yourself.
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Old 09-28-2013, 01:46 PM   #111
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Hi, first of all thanks for this amazing software. I registered to 2+2 specifically to thank you and share my impressions on it

I'm using TO since a week on pokerstars.it. I play both tiled (up to x15) and stacked (x16+).
I used tableninja 1 & 2 for a few years and atm i still use all 3 software, so i've some requests (you suspected it, right?) to allow me abandon the outdated TN1 and the full-of-bugs TN2.

1. Filter preset bets by BB level
I'ld open 3.1x+0.9*limper at 15/30, 2.75x+1.05*limper at 20/40, 2.45x+0.9*limper at 25/50 and so on.
It would be nice to (optionally) filter postflop bets by BB level as well, and also having a checkbox for removing/counting up antes (one for each preset bet).
I know, many people already asked for this. Imho it's the biggest strength of TN2 compared to TO - sng sensei apart, but i can use another software for autoregistering, or just wait for the (in)famous PS update.

2. Disable monitor switch
I only use my secondary monitor for multitabling, but often new tables opens in the primary monitor.
I've the "Move to next screen" hotkey set, but imagine having to do the following with 15+ tables opened:
  1. Give focus to the new table on first monitor (after noticing it's there, of course)
  2. Try to press the "Move to next screen" hotkey while TN2 is continually stealing focus for registering
  3. Move focus back to the 2nd monitor and press the tile/stack hotkey/button
..it's very annoying. I tried to set "Max tables: 0" in the primary monitor and "Auto tile when table: is opened" in Monitor 2 (and obv all my slots are on Monitor 2), but that didn't help.

3. Auto-close tourney lobby when a new table opens
This fantastic feature was on TN1 but they removed it on TN2 (just to make it even more useless).

4. "Bubble assistant"
I haven't seen this feature anywhere, but i think it would be great for grinders. I often play sngs with different payout structures at the same times (eg: fifty50 + 9men + mtts), so it's hard to recognize bubbles at first glance. I'ld like an hotkey - or love an automatic process - to highlight the bubbles. Maybe a different frame color, or an indicator in the HUD - something like: "Players: 6/10" or "Players: 10/27" etc. I think you can easily scrape this information from the info box.
A workaround for this is in the next point:

5. Set table(s) aside
Your software (did i already tell you how much i love it?) automatically fills the slots in chronological order. On TN2, you can setup some "Table aside" slots, and move one or more tables there by pressing an hotkey.
Especially after removing the titlebar it's very hard to distinguish mtts from sngs, that's why setting up some "special" slots (or having multiple "slots groups") would be great.
I think it should work this way:
  1. Setup N (more than 1 please) aside slots on TO (or specify a row/column to be used only for a specific group)
  2. Setup a single hotkey to "Move table aside" (or one for each group)
  3. When the hotkey is pressed, the focused table will move to the first empty slot/stack of that group
    If the focused table is already aside (or in a group), the hotkey should move it back to the first empty "normal" slot/stack
  4. Pressing the "Stack" or "Tile" hotkeys should only affect the "group" you focused on
As said above, this could be really helpful for bubbles too.

6. Save more than one "settings profile" and apply with hotkey
I've read someone asking for this, my 2cents on how it should work:
  1. All the settings on "Tiling options" and "Stacking options" should be saved on a profile, and one could setup multiple profiles
  2. When setting up a new profile, one should be able to clone an existing one
  3. Each profile should have an hotkey to activate it rapidly while playing
Let me explain why it can be really useful. On ps.it it takes dozens of minutes to open 10+ tables. At first i like to have bigger tables, eg 3x row/column. When the 10th table pops up, i must increase the tables x row/column and press the tile hotkey/button. Finally my monitor fills at x15, so i must stack. To do this, i've to check "Move to stack after taking seat" instead of "Auto tile when table: is opened", activate a "Smart stacking mode", lower back the number of tables x row/column to see bigger tables, and finally press my "Stack" hotkey. While TN2's sensei keeps stealing focus and timebanks are screaming...
Alternatively an "Auto stack if all slots are full" and\or "Auto optimize screen space" options might be useful, but i'm not sure about how they should behave.

7. Auto click info tab
Another great feature from TN. You already have a "Refresh info tab" checkbox, but it's laggy with 10+ tables, especially if "Activate table under mouse" is checked.
It took so long to refresh that i usually already moved to another table with no clue of how many players were left. So i had to deactivate it, and give this job to TN again.

Ok, done with the features requests. Now a couple of bugs:

a. Checking by pressing the "Fold" button is recognized as fold
Let's make an example. I got 72o in the BB, there are 3+ limpers and the flop comes QK9 When it's my turn, i don't even look at the action and just press the fold button. If there were no raises, PS automatically checks. nfortunately, your software recognizes it as a fold, and covers the table with the "Hand folded" grey glaze (if one has the "Hand folded" frame activated obv). This can happen pre-flop or on any street.

b. Close "OK" popups should not work on sngs ending popup
When a sng ends, PS will popup your finishing position and ask if you want to register to another or simply close the popup/table.
It's not an "OK" popup, so it should not be included in this setting (or at least be optionally included).
I can't mark the last hand on HoldemManager if the table closes instantly, and it's really helpful for SnGWizard review or to write a note about oppo's push/call range.
An alternative could be a new setting: "Auto close finished tourneament after N second", just like TN.

Lastly, it's not possible to set TAB, BACKSPACE or HOME as hotkeys. TN2 allows it by keeping one of these keys pressed for a few seconds.

If you actually read all the above, i'm pretty sure you already qualified me as nitpicker and pedantic. So i'ld like to end by listing what i love of TO (violins in background):
  • You're still listening to grinder's feedbacks and not selling it "before it's ready". This tells me you're coding with passion.
  • The "Hand folded" and "Observed table" glaze helps my focus a lot. That's pure genius! Thanks so much for these features!
  • Super-easy slots setup, definitely better than TN or any other ahk software i've ever tried. Congrats!
  • Remove titlebar option: you should get a Nobel prize in "online poker multitabling helpers" for that
  • Smart stacking mode, i can't imagine how it could be done better or less-flickering. A+
So yea, even if you don't add any of the features i requested, i'ld buy your subscription tomorrow 100%. Really, thanks again!

P.S. I'm not a native english speaker. Sorry if anything's not clear.
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Old 09-28-2013, 05:24 PM   #112
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1. I'm currently working on that.

2. You can try to do following:
a) Open a lot(20+) play money tables.
b) Move them all to monitor 2.
c) Make sure that "remember table positioning" in pokerstars client is selected and close all tables.
After that tables should always be opened on monitor 2.

3. This shouldn't be difficult to add.

4. 5. Need to think about it, different frame color looks like easiest solution.

6. I will do it.

7. I will split "refresh info tab" into "auto click" and "auto refresh".

bug a) Yes, It doesn't work correctly when selecting check/fold advanced action. It's not easy to fix but I will take a look when I have some time.
bug b) This is not something that I intended and will be fixed soon.
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Old 09-29-2013, 04:31 AM   #113
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I couldn't recreate bug with sng closing popup. Are you sure that it's caused by TO and not by "auto-close tournament without notification" in advanced multi-table options?
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Old 09-29-2013, 05:48 AM   #114
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In advanced multi-table options there is also option "auto open tournament lobby", unchecking it should take care of point 3.
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Old 09-29-2013, 07:21 AM   #115
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Thanks for your reply, that was quick

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1. I'm currently working on that.
Nice to hear that! Can't wait to finally send TN2 to retire.

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2. You can try to do following:
a) Open a lot(20+) play money tables.
b) Move them all to monitor 2.
c) Make sure that "remember table positioning" in pokerstars client is selected and close all tables.
After that tables should always be opened on monitor 2.
Yup, i understand what you mean, and that's probably the case. When i want to mark the last hand of a sit, i move it to the 1st monitor. But then, after 30sec, TN auto-closes the table and PS remembers its position there.
If you're not going to add a "disable monitor" option (or auto-tile which covers multiple monitors) i'll have to move back the tables on 2nd monitor after marking. Not a big deal anyway.

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3. This shouldn't be difficult to add.
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In advanced multi-table options there is also option "auto open tournament lobby", unchecking it should take care of point 3.
Ok, i'm feeling such an idiot now...how could i've missed it?! Thanks..

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4. 5. Need to think about it, different frame color looks like easiest solution.
That surely would be great.
Another alternative would be to add an hotkey for each slot (es: CTRL+2 sends a table to the 2nd slot). You already have "Lock in slot" hotkey, which is basically the same but only works with the default slot position.

Anyway i'm pretty sure a lot of grinders would appreciate the "table aside" concept, maybe just keep the idea in the closet for next version.

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6. I will do it.
7. I will split "refresh info tab" into "auto click" and "auto refresh".
great!

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bug a) Yes, It doesn't work correctly when selecting check/fold advanced action. It's not easy to fix but I will take a look when I have some time.
I can imagine it's a totally different approach, and you'll have to setup a test for each time hero clicks on fold. If this change affects performances, you can also just discard it.

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bug b) This is not something that I intended and will be fixed soon.
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I couldn't recreate bug with sng closing popup. Are you sure that it's caused by TO and not by "auto-close tournament without notification" in advanced multi-table options?
Yup, i'm sure about it. After unchecking Close "OK" popups on TO, it was gone. I also have that option unchecked on stars' client. I'll double check this afternoon (CET) and let you know.

Thanks again for your time. I'll spread the word of your great software on italian forums.

I also work as a web developer, so if you need help with your website drop me a pvt. I strongly reccomend you to add a link to tableoptimizer.com on the first post of this thread. If you can't edit it, ask a mod: i think you're losing a ton of traffic atm.

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Old 09-29-2013, 12:55 PM   #116
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Yup, i'm sure about it. After unchecking Close "OK" popups on TO, it was gone. I also have that option unchecked on stars' client. I'll double check this afternoon (CET) and let you know.
I was wrong about it. Tryed it this afternoon without TN open and the popups weren't closed. Sorry, it was probably some misconfig somewhere, dunno...
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Old 09-30-2013, 11:14 AM   #117
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says incompatible with ps.dk



will you support ps.dk?
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Old 09-30-2013, 11:43 AM   #118
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says incompatible with ps.dk



will you support ps.dk?
It should work correctly despite saying that it's incompatible.
Before I add .dk to supported client list I need somebody who can log there to test it and tell me if everything is ok(it should be).
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Old 09-30-2013, 10:19 PM   #119
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I seem to be getting a few empty tables with "This table has been closed" on it. Is it possible to move those to the grid? or auto-close them?
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Old 10-01-2013, 04:12 PM   #120
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New version with open raise by blind level uploaded.

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I seem to be getting a few empty tables with "This table has been closed" on it. Is it possible to move those to the grid? or auto-close them?
I will look at it.
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Old 10-02-2013, 05:03 AM   #121
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This is brilliant software dude, keep up the great work.
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Old 10-04-2013, 11:48 AM   #122
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New version with open raise by blind level uploaded.
Wohoooo thanks a lot...bye bye TN!
It works as expected, but i spotted a little bug. If the bigblind's stack is shorter than the bb itself (eg: blinds 150/300, bb has 200ish chips left) the preset bet "tilts" and just puts me all-in.

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2. You can try to do following:
a) Open a lot(20+) play money tables.
b) Move them all to monitor 2.
c) Make sure that "remember table positioning" in pokerstars client is selected and close all tables.
After that tables should always be opened on monitor 2.
Actually, pokerstars resets table's position everytime i unplug the 2nd monitor (even if ps client isn't running). So a "disable monitor" option, or "auto send to monitor X" would be nice

Thanks again!
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Old 10-05-2013, 03:43 AM   #123
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I'm looking for some volunteers to test if license verification is working correctly, if anybody wants to help with that pm or email me.

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Wohoooo thanks a lot...bye bye TN!
It works as expected, but i spotted a little bug. If the bigblind's stack is shorter than the bb itself (eg: blinds 150/300, bb has 200ish chips left) the preset bet "tilts" and just puts me all-in.
It happens because when calculating limpers program substract sb + bb from total pot and in case BB stack is smaller than 1bb pot is also smaller and result is negative. I will fix it but in this specific case it will always detect 0 limpers (unless i find better way of doing this). Hope that won't be a big problem.

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Actually, pokerstars resets table's position everytime i unplug the 2nd monitor (even if ps client isn't running). So a "disable monitor" option, or "auto send to monitor X" would be nice

Thanks again!
I'm going to change how auto-tiling works so that you will be able to specify on which monitor it should tile first using this two arrows in tiling options.
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Old 10-05-2013, 05:05 AM   #124
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It happens because when calculating limpers program substract sb + bb from total pot and in case BB stack is smaller than 1bb pot is also smaller and result is negative. I will fix it but in this specific case it will always detect 0 limpers (unless i find better way of doing this). Hope that won't be a big problem.
Well, i guess that betting smaller wrongly is better than puttin'allthechipsinthepot wrongly....

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I'm going to change how auto-tiling works so that you will be able to specify on which monitor it should tile first using this two arrows in tiling options.
Perfect
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Old 10-05-2013, 10:15 AM   #125
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when you think you will have hud configuration possible?
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