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Old 09-18-2013, 06:33 PM   #76
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Re: Table Optimizer

Now i have tested all day long.

Found this: sometimes it opens 2,5x instead of 2x, but maybe 1 out of 100 times.
One time i remember from UTG and 2 times in same conditions from Dealer, no limpers before, no antes.
And one time i remember there was antes, no limpers, i was on middle position and instead of 1600 opened 2000 so it sometimes opens 2,5 instead of 2.

Preset Bets:
- Open 2bb + 1bb per limper from '
- 3Bet x2,5 + 0bb '
other street presets i think doesn't matter, because problem found Preflop

' - i believe this mini star is for all positions if i did not chose it?

And about action buttons (fold, bet, raise). When i use PS hkeys, and there is action and in the same time TN registers for new table (little screen comes up, it asks do you want to register and TN in miliseconds press OK) then PS hkeys stop working, i must click on that active table and then PS hkeys work again. So i believe those registering popups somehow steals focus even when there is colored border allready on active table. Now i use TN hkeys for action buttons, and only those works where is hkeys for LEFT MIDDLE and RIGHT buttons. So only way for me is to press action buttons by coordinates XY, then any popups don't steal focus and hkeys work as they should. TableNinja don't allows to change XY for fold bet raise buttons, very sad. All this because i want to move action buttons in the bottom middle. I have tested it today, found TN instead of FOLD presses CALL because location of buttons is changed. So can u please add somehow XY coordinates for them to manage?

Everything else works fine, lightweight on CPU.

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Old 09-19-2013, 04:22 AM   #77
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Re: Table Optimizer

czyngischan, What are the chances of perhaps adding preset bets/raises by street in 3bet+ pots? By the way as most here have said... I love your software.
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Old 09-19-2013, 05:42 AM   #78
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It is very likely that I will add this.
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Old 09-19-2013, 12:12 PM   #79
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Re: Table Optimizer

Does the program update automatically or do you have to download updates from the site? Close all tables is not working anymore for me as it is not clicking the "ok" button to confirm. Also, tiling does not work correctly i have massive overlap even though i have it selected to no overlap.
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Old 09-19-2013, 12:44 PM   #80
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Does the program update automatically or do you have to download updates from the site? Close all tables is not working anymore for me as it is not clicking the "ok" button to confirm. Also, tiling does not work correctly i have massive overlap even though i have it selected to no overlap.
From version 0.9.3 there is option to check for updates and download them automatically.

Close all tables is not going to click ok button and it never worked that way because it's dangerous. There is hotkey called "close seated table" which automatically clicks ok but only for one table.

With tiling problem a screenshot would be helpfull. Is overlap vertical or horizontal? If it's vertical maybe max tables value is too big.
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Old 09-19-2013, 10:31 PM   #81
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czyngischan, Any chance of creating a hotkey for the remove titlebar function? I love that function by the way -- it makes the tables look so clean. Also is there a way that you could make it so that the replayer isn't included under the same umbrella as the tables so that it keeps the titlebar? Just a universal hotkey would be great though.
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Old 09-20-2013, 04:50 AM   #82
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And add please ability to change XY for cursor placement on tables, right now it is in the middle of table.
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Old 09-20-2013, 06:31 AM   #83
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I don't really understand the reasoning behind close all tables not clicking ok. I set it to a key combination so i will never close tables by accident (eg. ctrl + end). This facility is available in Tableninja1 and i find it useful to end a session.

I would like to send a screenshot of the tiling issue but i actually need to be seated at tables for it to tile it seems so this makes it quite difficult. The problem i am having is vertical though and its happening on all my monitors which are different sizes/resolutions.

May i also suggest a single hotkey which presses tile in the stars software. I realise you can press ctrl + 9 but i prefer a single key if possible.

Overall, great program and i will definitely be buying.
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Old 09-20-2013, 06:45 AM   #84
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Re: Table Optimizer

Ok my mistake, i didn't need to be seated to tile i just didn't open TO before i opened the tables. Screenshot attached.
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Old 09-20-2013, 07:25 AM   #85
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czyngischan, Any chance of creating a hotkey for the remove titlebar function? I love that function by the way -- it makes the tables look so clean. Also is there a way that you could make it so that the replayer isn't included under the same umbrella as the tables so that it keeps the titlebar? Just a universal hotkey would be great though.
No problem with adding hotkey but it will work for all tables. It's not possible to remove titlebar only from selected table or replayer.

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And add please ability to change XY for cursor placement on tables, right now it is in the middle of table.
Ok.

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I don't really understand the reasoning behind close all tables not clicking ok. I set it to a key combination so i will never close tables by accident (eg. ctrl + end). This facility is available in Tableninja1 and i find it useful to end a session.
You're right, I will change it.

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Ok my mistake, i didn't need to be seated to tile i just didn't open TO before i opened the tables. Screenshot attached.
You want 3 tables in row in 3 columns with no overlap like in default pokerstars tiling? It's currently not possible but I will fix that.
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Old 09-20-2013, 11:35 AM   #86
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Yes please - thank you for your help and for the quick reponses.
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Old 09-21-2013, 06:56 PM   #87
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Re: Table Optimizer

hi thx for nice software, i have one stack one slot i assign f1 key to move to slot. so when i have 10 tables in stack and press f1 on active one why is not moving to slot?

also you should make hud more flexible like number of currently running tables would be awesome I think.

im beta testing ps7 and auto registration is not there yet. So maybe if you would implement this would be great.
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Old 09-22-2013, 04:22 AM   #88
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hi thx for nice software, i have one stack one slot i assign f1 key to move to slot. so when i have 10 tables in stack and press f1 on active one why is not moving to slot?
Are you stacking tables using TO "Stack" hotkey? It won't work if you use pokerstars stacking funcion.

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also you should make hud more flexible like number of currently running tables would be awesome I think.
I plan to do it.

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im beta testing ps7 and auto registration is not there yet. So maybe if you would implement this would be great.
But they will add this eventually so it doesn't makes sense for me to work on something which will be useless in couple of months.
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Old 09-22-2013, 08:37 AM   #89
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one more thing would you be able to put into hud or somewhere on table how many bb you have instead of chips. like tn2 have.
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Old 09-22-2013, 11:57 AM   #90
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one more thing would you be able to put into hud or somewhere on table how many bb you have instead of chips. like tn2 have.
you can have a list of items the people can check on/off to put in the HUD.

PS. Just a reminder to fix the bet sizing on squeezes, and to put in a bet sizing adjustment to ante tables, and this TO would be perfect.
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Old 09-22-2013, 12:36 PM   #91
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you can have a list of items the people can check on/off to put in the HUD.

PS. Just a reminder to fix the bet sizing on squeezes, and to put in a bet sizing adjustment to ante tables, and this TO would be perfect.
For what i know squeezes are working correctly.
Any ideas how antes should be taken into account?
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Old 09-22-2013, 11:17 PM   #92
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I forgot you came out with an update a week or so ago - I didn't think you fixed the squeezes for that one so I didn't update. Let me take a look.

I play both 6max and FR. I think the best thing that would work for *me* is if you put an extra field in each of the preset betting boxes:
1) preflop "open" - the open size is Xbb + Ybb per limper + Z*(total antes) bb. So "Z" would be a fraction. This way the user could enter "0" if they want to ignore the antes, or some nonzero fraction, depending on how big they want to open. You could have "Z" be a percentage, if that's easier.
2) I'm not sure what to do about the 3bet. Most people bet something close to "pot" actually, so your interface is a little awkward sometimes. For example, I would want to 3bet someone raising 2x a little larger than someone who is 3.5x raising as the PFR. Being able to bet "pot" fixes this because it will make the 3bet size larger (as a percentage of the PFR size) for a 2x raise than a 3.5x raise. If possible, I would prefer if you had a radio button that allowed you to use either: (i) the version of the formula you currently have (3B multiplier + X bbs + Z*antes), or (ii) a completely different 3bet formula that is something like (X*pot + Ybbs + Z*antes). "X" is a fraction. You should allow Y to be negative btw. If you had to choose only one formula, I think the "pot" version is better for 3bets.
3) for the 4bet, I think the previous streets should have accounted for the antes already, so I don't know that anything needs to be changed.

Also, the issue of antes brings up something else - I would prefer you had THREE different sets of preset bets. One for Full Ring, one for 6max and one for HU. The reason is that in a FR ante game, there a ton of antes from the 9 players, and typically, you do not take the antes into consideration as much as you would in 6 max. So most people would want to use a different sizing for 6max and FR. And I would imagine that for HU, people have different sizing as well. You can implement this somewhat "easily" by having three check boxes in the "Add new bet" window (HU, 6max, FR). If someone only needs one set of bet sizes, they can just keep all 3 checked (this could be the default), but if someone needs to change one of them, they can enter multiple preset bets for the different tables. Anyway, this is just a minor consideration, so don't bother if you (or other users don't think there would be some value added here). I just thought I would throw that in to make your software more robust.

That's all I can think of for now. I play like 100K hands a month, and I think these are "reasonable" requests from someone who play a lot. But you should definitely get opinions from at least a few other regs before you start coding.

Thanks for all the great work.
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Old 09-22-2013, 11:32 PM   #93
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also, you should change the interface for the preset bets. I had previously mentioned that you should be able to double click a predefined preset bet to change it, but I agreed that it wasn't something you would be changing frequently. But now, I have FOUR definitions for 4bet (three that were there that look exactly the same: "4bet x0 + 0bb *" - I have no recollection ever defining these, so I think it must be something that TO created when I updtated). But there is no way for me to get rid of these from withing TO. I will probably go into the "options" text file and manually delete these lines at some point. Anyway, just a minor comment - not a big deal, but other new users may find it annoying. Thanks.

in case you were curious, here are the extra lines that TO added:
7=4,0,0.00,0.00,0,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1,60,0.00,0. 00,0.00,0.00
8=4,0,0.00,0.00,0,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,2,70,0.00,0. 00,0.00,0.00
9=4,0,0.00,0.00,0,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,3,70,0.00,0. 00,0.00,0.00

Not sure what the 60, 70 and 70 are.

LOL. Actually, they are my post-flop bet sizes. so somehow, when I upgraded to the new version, TO reported my postflop bet sizes as preflop 4bets. That must've happened because you inserted "squeezes" as a new category. You should let us know next time that we need to change it manually (or have the software update it somehow, or use a different coding system). Thanks again.

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Old 09-23-2013, 01:27 AM   #94
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also, you should change the interface for the preset bets. I had previously mentioned that you should be able to double click a predefined preset bet to change it, but I agreed that it wasn't something you would be changing frequently. But now, I have FOUR definitions for 4bet (three that were there that look exactly the same: "4bet x0 + 0bb *" - I have no recollection ever defining these, so I think it must be something that TO created when I updtated). But there is no way for me to get rid of these from withing TO. I will probably go into the "options" text file and manually delete these lines at some point. Anyway, just a minor comment - not a big deal, but other new users may find it annoying. Thanks.

in case you were curious, here are the extra lines that TO added:
7=4,0,0.00,0.00,0,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1,60,0.00,0. 00,0.00,0.00
8=4,0,0.00,0.00,0,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,2,70,0.00,0. 00,0.00,0.00
9=4,0,0.00,0.00,0,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,3,70,0.00,0. 00,0.00,0.00

Not sure what the 60, 70 and 70 are.

LOL. Actually, they are my post-flop bet sizes. so somehow, when I upgraded to the new version, TO reported my postflop bet sizes as preflop 4bets. That must've happened because you inserted "squeezes" as a new category. You should let us know next time that we need to change it manually (or have the software update it somehow, or use a different coding system). Thanks again.
You can double click preset bet to change it and you should be able to delete it by selecting and pressing delete key.
You are right, you're preset bets were corrupted by update, it's written in readme that you should delete them and add again.
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Old 09-24-2013, 09:07 PM   #95
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Hi!

First off all really great software.

One qustion: is possible to make something like settings profiles or slot setups profiles?
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Old 09-25-2013, 10:45 AM   #96
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a couple of minor "bugs" - not relevant though:

* whenever I open TO, it's always centered on one of my monitors. But that's not where I like the app to be. So every morning I have to drag it to my preferred location on my screen. Can you have TO open at the location where it was when the app was closed?

* I still get the error message:
PokerStars.com, version: 7.2.4.4 (incompatible)
The latest compatible versions are PokerStars.eu 7.1.2.5
, PokerStars.com 7.1.8.3
, PokerStars.it 7.1.1.0

Now that I have enough of a sample (90K hands each month), I started using TO (and Stars hotkeys) at the very end of last month and TO has helped me to play 10% more hands per hour this month than last month. Last month I was using Table Ninja 1 and Stack and Tile (for table management). I had to use both because TN1 alone did not do everything I wanted, and TN2 was horribly written and didn't work for me. The lags using that combination of software was very noticeable, and did not work as well (ie the timebank only worked when visible) so it cut down on my productivity. I am currently having my best month this year - most likely just a coincidence, but not having to think about the software I am running lets me focus on playing.

I will also cross-post in the TN Alternatives thread. ;-)

Thanks again.
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Old 09-25-2013, 11:23 AM   #97
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Looking forward to downloading this and trying it out. The reviews in this thread so far have me very excited about it. Would gladly pay for it if it has all the features i want so i can replace TN1. Just a quick question, i had a look at the screenshots of the program but can't figure out if it has a feature i'm hoping it has: ability to convert all $ bets and stack sizes to BB. I know there is another free piece of software "StarsHelper" that does this but it would be nice if this is available in Table Optimizer too.

Reading the current feature list it literally has everything i need to replace TN1. I don't currently use a $ to BB conversion software but plan to add it to my arsenal. Implementing this into TO would be awesome. Is this currently a feature and if not any plans to add it?

Thanks
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Old 09-25-2013, 11:35 AM   #98
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Is it possible to use "global options" and "Multitable options" without having to use "tiling options" or "stacking options"?

And is it compatible with pokerstars.dk?
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Old 09-25-2013, 12:57 PM   #99
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One qustion: is possible to make something like settings profiles or slot setups profiles?
Possible, how exactly should it work?

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a couple of minor "bugs" - not relevant though:

* whenever I open TO, it's always centered on one of my monitors. But that's not where I like the app to be. So every morning I have to drag it to my preferred location on my screen. Can you have TO open at the location where it was when the app was closed?

* I still get the error message:
PokerStars.com, version: 7.2.4.4 (incompatible)
The latest compatible versions are PokerStars.eu 7.1.2.5
, PokerStars.com 7.1.8.3
, PokerStars.it 7.1.1.0
*No problem with adding that.

*Updating to latest version (0.9.4) should fix it.

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Looking forward to downloading this and trying it out. The reviews in this thread so far have me very excited about it. Would gladly pay for it if it has all the features i want so i can replace TN1. Just a quick question, i had a look at the screenshots of the program but can't figure out if it has a feature i'm hoping it has: ability to convert all $ bets and stack sizes to BB. I know there is another free piece of software "StarsHelper" that does this but it would be nice if this is available in Table Optimizer too.

Reading the current feature list it literally has everything i need to replace TN1. I don't currently use a $ to BB conversion software but plan to add it to my arsenal. Implementing this into TO would be awesome. Is this currently a feature and if not any plans to add it?

Thanks
I don't have plans to add $ to bb conversion for stack and bets (it's not easy to do it as good as starshelper). There will be option to show your stack in big blinds in hud.

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Is it possible to use "global options" and "Multitable options" without having to use "tiling options" or "stacking options"?

And is it compatible with pokerstars.dk?
Yes.
It's not officially compatible with .dk but it should work.
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Old 09-25-2013, 05:14 PM   #100
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is there anyway to disable the ripple forward?
other than that I really like the Zoom stack
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