(1) We have not released official minimum or recommended specifications at this time.

(2) Everything that is new for Holdem applies equally to Omaha. In addition to that, in terms of Omaha specific changes, there are new and more detailed filter options for Omaha (e.g. various kinds of wrap draw filters) and specific NoteTracker definitions designed for Omaha. We have also distinguished Omaha Hi and Omaha 8 or better completely so that, if you choose, you can use different HUDs for the different games as well.

It's been up all day for me - are you able to get in now?

One thing to keep in mind is that many laptops still ship with slow hard drives - a 5400 RPM hard drive is going to cause everything to be slower since it will take considerably more time to access data from the disk. Since the hard drive will be spinning and reading consistently it could also be resulting in the temperature increases you're seeing.

- Kraada

For those who are not aware, when the hero sits in seat #1 then the poker client hand history shows you as sitting in seat 1. if instead you define a preferred seat in your poker client to be seat #3, then you will be visually seated at seat 3 while the hand history provided by the poker client still shows that you are still seated in seat #1. When the preferred seat preference is entered in PokerTracker as a preference, then we can relocate the hud positioning to match the hero correctly with the positioning on the screen. Without this information, we cannot properly reposition the hero.

The two options we support:

1) Sit in any seat without defining a preference. The HUD will properly match the seating choice.

2) Pre-define a preferred seat preference, and always sit in the same seat

We do not support a hybrid of the two situations listed above, this means you can not change your seat in-game by using your poker client's "sit me here" function. As described above, we cannot reposition the HUD without knowing where the hero is on the table in relation to the hero's positioning in the hand history therefore this cannot be done on a table by table basis - it must be done site-wide.

The game window suggestion you posted above is unfortunately not a viable solution. move a table... stack tables... overlap tables and the solution breaks - as we have explained earlier in this thread we do not want to introduce any features that could potentially interrupt a playing session, the risk does not equal the reward. PokerTracker only relies on hand histories to place the hero at the table, because that is the only accurate method available on all networks that we support in our many years of HUD development experience. And as I noted above, our solution has been used by all of our competitors as well.

It sounds like a good idea until you understand the mechanics of how HUD positioning works, but it quickly becomes obvious that it would be a support nightmare with the potential to interfere with the playing experience once you learn how the system works. We NEVER want to interfere with anyones game! That is why this idea will not be implemented, the best solution is to stick with one of the two options listed above because they both work flawlessly.

BTW, this whole issue would be solved if poker rooms just added a "Hero seated in # X" line of text in the hand history... but none of the sites do this. We have asked quite a few to do this, but to date there has been no response.

I hope this helps explain how the HUD seating system works and why we use the methods that we do, let me know if you have any other questions!

- TT

Nothing wrong with the basic method. I understand if you don't wish to start scraping hero's position from the table, that could turn out to be maintenance heavy. Not that the sites update their fonts daily.

How ever, if you provided a "I'm seated in seat x in this table" or "please please rotate the hud for me in this particular table as I can't sit in this seat" option, I don't see what does moving, tiling, cascading or overlapping have to do with anything. Especially as you don't only rely on hand histories as it is now, you also have the logic available to rotate the hud (according to a global -or rather, site-wide - preference).

As for what your competitors do, I thought you wanted to be the guys who introduce new features and usability first.

Screen scraping only works for people who are guaranteed to not have windows overlapping, for mission critical needs such as playing online with a HUD poker screen scraping is not a viable solution. We know of quite a few competitors who use screen scraping in their products, and frankly they are all prone to failure due to this reason. Additionally they tend to only scrape one or a few sites - PokerTracker supports 20 networks currently with future plans to expand. Our business policy is to provide tools that work across all of the sites that we support, developing tools that can only be used for just one network at a time is a recipe for angry customers - and that is something we go out of our way to avoid.

As for a HUD seat moving tool, as previously explained we already provide this by selection of preferred seats. This is the best method for online players because it avoids the potential for in-game problems, misplaced HUDs, and losses. Its simple, effective, and works without much trouble - this is also the goal of PokerTracker products. We embrace recommendations from our users for new features, but for a feature to be considered it must

A) Impact the majority of our users
B) Not create the potential to interfere with our user's in-game experience

Unfortunately your suggestion would not meet either requirement. The majority of our users already used the preferred seating method, and those who do not usually switch once they are made aware of it. We are comfortable knowing we are meeting their needs already.

Perhaps a universal third party tool will someday be developed that can alter the hand histories on the fly prior to import in your selected tracking tool - but due to the nature of hand histories I suspect that this type of tool would only be developed for one network at a time, not as a network universal application like PokerTracker is. If any developers are out there listening - this niche market is looking to be filled.

Sorry I cannot give you an answer that would make you happier, but at least we shared the truth with you. I hope this little bit of insight makes the downside more acceptable. All my best...

- TT

who gets all a beta key??

is there a possibility to get one too?

regards

There will be no more Beta codes available until after the New Year now (as far as I know), but we're aiming to get the full public beta available as soon as possible. I don't expect that for a few weeks yet, but once that is out everyone will be able to try it out.
In the meantime keep an eye on the forums, and follow us on Facebook or Twitter for early access to updates.

--WhiteRider

ok I'll do!!!

thanks mate

I like the quoted part, and can attest at having been a disgruntled customer in the past - still am - about table tracker. It's still missing major networks like entraction and enet but has much smaller ones like 888, microgaming, boss media, everest. Even the table seating you were talking about in your thread is not available for Enet, even though you can switch seats at the table there. What is the deal with those, it's not in concordance with the above stated policy. Will it be fixed in pt4? I'd love to be able to table scan within pt, third party tools can work but be annoying/bad at the same time

I appreciate the support you guys have and the openness though, so thanks for that.

So far very happy with PT4
Much faster than PT3
Easier to customize HUD....nice preview of HUD

One needs to get used to the new filtering, but it's not bad.
'The direct filtering from graphs and tables is +++

Keep it up....

widegap

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I'm also very happy with PT4.

I was a HM user and have HM2 too (which I don't find as bad as a lot of other user btw.) but I wanted to see what the competitor has to provide and was I impressed from the PT4 videos, so I bought PT3 2 weeks ago (which I find pretty confusing) to get the chance to get a PT4 code before 2012

It's really fun for me to go through the software and try things out. PT4 is very clear and although it's a pre beta I have enough "trust" to use when I'm at the tables whereas I have never felt secure enough to use HM2 when I'm playing. Kind of weird.

#PT team: excellent work so far, keep it up

Happy new year to all.

One of pur PT4 missions is to provide as open a dialog with our customers as possible. Of course there are downsides to being so open, it can be embarrassing at times but we feel the positive outweighs the downside. Really glad you like our new openness policy!

TableTracker is a add-on service that cannot be created for all networks. At times we may constricted by multiple factors such as:

1) Network terms of service (we follow the rules)
2) Willingness of the network to support our service (sometimes we need tech support too!)
3) Ability to discover who is sitting at the table
4) Demand from customers

Your assumption about major network size is incorrect. 888, Microgaming, and Boss are all much much much bigger networks than Enet with great demand from users. Entraction is ranked as one point larger than Everest, but it is much smaller than the rest of the networks on your list. With that said, we are in fact watching Enet carefully, and communicating with their management team. We know what they have in store of the future - when their plans are implemented we can revisit Enet support in TableTracker if the network cracks the top 20 at Pokerscout.com. Entraction is a different story however, we cannot support them in TT until the future of online poker in the USA is more clear, Entraction is now owned by IGT in Las Vegas.

As for the Enet preferred seating issue, this is a problem with the Enet client, not PokerTracker. There is nothing for us to "fix", we cannot compensate for the lack of a feature in a poker client. Enet does not provide a preferred seating functionality in their software, as stated a few posts back we only support two seating methods with our HUD:

1) Sit in any seat without defining a preference. The HUD will properly match the seating choice.
2) Pre-define a preferred seat preference, and always sit in the same seat

Enet is the only poker network that does not provide a preferred seating option of the 20+ that we currently support. We have spoken with Enet about this and gave them our recommendations, perhaps they will make this change to their seating strategy in 2012. Cross fingers!

- TT

Once you get used to our filter design, it will become 10x easier than using filters in the past. And it is much more powerful now too. The iPad inspired design is very intuitive, once you understand the logic of how we place filter options within the hierarchy, and how to use AND and OR to create complex filters, then your experience will be seamless!

We are honored by this comment, thank you so much for your kind words!

- TT

Does PT4 have Vs Hero stats like HM2?

Vs Hero stats sound great - but they actually have little value. We do not plan to include them. Read this article for more information about our decision - http://pokerfuse.com/features/in-dep...okertracker-4/

The article argues that vs hero stats are useless because they will be skewed by position. This is easily solved by 3b bb vs hero steal type stats. The other argument is that you won't get a decent sample size. That is just wrong for 6 max cash games if you play a decent volume.

Its a results oriented thinking stat that has an improperly skewed bias. We have tested this type of stat, and chose to not include them because the results were poor. I think this speaks volumes about the value of the data that can be obtained using vs Hero stats. We also checked with all of our consulting alpha testers from a range of coaching companies (names released once we leave beta), they all agreed with our research.

The argument is more than decent sample size.... in order for the stat to have any relevance at all a position vs hero matrix is needed with a large enough sample for each position. By the time this sample is acquired, even a 10 tabling player would know that the opponent is "picking" on the hero without the stat.

Sorry, I know this is not the answer you wanted to hear, but our decision on this matter has already been made. We have much more important topics to cover such as IN and OUT of Position properties on ALL of our stats postflop - we are positive this is far more valuable than Vs Hero.

I disagree. I think it's most useful in button v blind situations because you get a large sample size quickly. You may know villain is "picking" on you, but you can easily over/under estimate the extent of it.

Is there anything PT4 offers that HM2 doesn't? I've always used HM and was considering changing, but it seems like PT4 doesn't do anything better.

I currently own HEM1 but thinking about coming over to PT

One question is it worth buying PT3 now and learning it will that have any benefit with PT4? or is PT4 completely different to PT3?

no benefit of learning PT3 (IMO). You should got straight from HEM1 -> PT4 if you make the switch.

PT3 -> PT4 is a huge difference (I'm a long time PT3 user and viewer of the PT3 videos).

Please put these in there so folks have more rope

can I create these myself?

the main thing i'm looking forward to is the ability to make custom stats. Its really annoying how hem has tonnes of stats i'll never use, but doesn't have something relatively basic such as delayed c-bet

That is, and always has been, in PT3 and will be easier again in PT4.

--WhiteRider

wow im very excited!

Hello pokertracker.

Will I be able to import a HEM2 DB straight into PT4? I'm ready to give up with HEM2.

is it possible to import MH1 bonuses to PT4?