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03-19-2013 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerTracker
Which HUD profile are you attempting to import? Are you sure it is a Profile, and not a HUD Group? HUD Groups are imported into a profile using the disk menu under the Groups section.
I was trying to download the 6max Postional by bware. It has 9332 downloads.
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03-19-2013 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Online Veteran
I am primarily a cash game player, but might play a sit and go once in a while just for fun. Can someone please tell me how to get S&G or MTT hands on ACR (WPN) loaded onto PT4? Thanks!
The Winning Poker Network does not provide tournament summaries, therefore you must enter the results of all tournaments by hand. Sometimes we can partially detect the results, when that occurs you must still manually enter the missing data after the tournament is complete.

We should also note that multi-tabling WPN tournaments can be problematic because the tables are not provided unique IDs, this prevents PT4 from knowing which table to place the HUD on.

- TT
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03-19-2013 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by As1an1nvas1on
I was trying to download the 6max Postional by bware. It has 9332 downloads.
That HUD is for PokerTracker 3, not PokerTracker 4. From looking over the options provided in the "6max Positional" HUD for PT3, I am confident that the built in PokerTracker 4 default HUD is actually better ;-) There is no inherent advantage to this older PT3 format, in fact we have greatly improved on it by providing new positional stats and 3bet pot stats that did not previously exist.

With that said, we just discovered that the importing of PT3 HUDs into PT4 was broken in the latest release, we are working to get that fixed. In general we advise users to start with HUDs that are designed for PT4 rather than PT3 because they take advantage of all the new stats and features, and if there is a stat that is no longer compatible it will result in a text field after you import the PT3 HUD.

- TT

Last edited by PokerTracker; 03-19-2013 at 05:12 PM.
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03-19-2013 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerTracker
We discovered the source of this bug yesterday, it affects Mac OS X users who are importing MTTs prior to the end of the tournament, once hand history importing has finished but the tournament summaries are not available. We are working on a fix for this issue right now. - TT
Thanks
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03-19-2013 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by As1an1nvas1on
I cant even get a HUD to pop up. I have configured my computer to save hands on my Mac, and the import is running but no PT4 icon appears at any of my regular tables.
1) Does the HUD appear in the replayer?
2) Are you playing at Euro tables? Do you have 4.07.1 installed?
3) What site are you playing on? This is always needed when we provide suport, it is the first thing we need to know.
4) Close all poker sites. Click Get Hands While Playing, then view Play Poker > Import Status, what do you see?

- TT
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03-19-2013 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerTracker
1) Does the HUD appear in the replayer?
2) Are you playing at Euro tables? Do you have 4.07.1 installed?
3) What site are you playing on? This is always needed when we provide suport, it is the first thing we need to know.
4) Close all poker sites. Click Get Hands While Playing, then view Play Poker > Import Status, what do you see?

- TT
I tried opening the replayer and PT4 froze. I rebooted it and I can now see a HUD. I was playing on Euro Tables when I first started playing regular tables. Does that mean I wont be able to use the HUD on euro tables? I am on PokerStars. I do have 4.07.1. Before you said there was a better HUD than the one I was previously trying to download, which one was that?

Thanks
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03-19-2013 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerTracker
We should also note that multi-tabling WPN tournaments can be problematic because the tables are not provided unique IDs, this prevents PT4 from knowing which table to place the HUD on.
Gametime+ bring up memories? The manual table finder tool for cases like that was figured out some time ago already.
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03-19-2013 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerTracker
The Winning Poker Network does not provide tournament summaries, therefore you must enter the results of all tournaments by hand. Sometimes we can partially detect the results, when that occurs you must still manually enter the missing data after the tournament is complete.

We should also note that multi-tabling WPN tournaments can be problematic because the tables are not provided unique IDs, this prevents PT4 from knowing which table to place the HUD on.

- TT
This is unfortunate. Does PT4 at least record all of the hands in the tournament? Basically, all I need to do is enter what place I finished? However, if it's too big of an ordeal, is there any way I can just disable PT4 for tournaments? I will just use it for cash games only on this site. Thanks.
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03-19-2013 , 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by pasita
Gametime+ bring up memories? The manual table finder tool for cases like that was figured out some time ago already.
Yes, that along with our own PokerAce HUD bring up fond memories of the past.. and that is where this should remain. PokerTracker 4 is about automation, manual placement tools that this stage of the poker evolution are archaic, our poker room partners have told us they prefer PokerTracker's automated method over the manual placement method of some of our competitors. With that said, we know that Merge has expressed interest in solving this problem, they know that their network is the only one with this problem, all of the other networks we suport have addressed this issue.
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03-19-2013 , 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Online Veteran
This is unfortunate. Does PT4 at least record all of the hands in the tournament? Basically, all I need to do is enter what place I finished? However, if it's too big of an ordeal, is there any way I can just disable PT4 for tournaments? I will just use it for cash games only on this site. Thanks.

Yes, all of the hands are recorded, the only thing that is missing is the buyin information, game type, special issues such as rebuys, bounties, and finishing places. You can manually enter this information on your own, we sugest taking a screen capture of your tournament lobby after you are done so you know the results. Keep in mind that just a few years ago results had to be manually entered on all networks, tournament summaries are still a semi-recent addition to online poker for most sites (and some sites like Winning and Merge still do not have them available).

There is no way to disable import for a game type, but you can use a filter to ignore the results from Winning Poker Network when reviewing your tournament results.

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03-19-2013 , 06:40 PM
Hello, can someone help me with setting up a rakeback stat?
Mostly looking for a rakeback stat for SNGs, however I also play a little bit of cash. Ive searched the internet, but haven't been able to find a solution for this.

Thanks a lot!
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03-19-2013 , 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Atlantis1
Hello, can someone help me with setting up a rakeback stat?
Mostly looking for a rakeback stat for SNGs, however I also play a little bit of cash. Ive searched the internet, but haven't been able to find a solution for this.

Thanks a lot!
If your poker room provides rakeback and it is trackable, then we have a custom stat for it available at https://www.pokertracker.com/custom/stats

Watch this video to learn how to graph any stat, including rakeback stats, against your personal results graph: https://www.pokertracker.com/videos/...rsonal-results

Keep in mind that most rakeback is no longer trackable, many rooms have incorporated methods that weigh your rakeback or reward based on your value to them as a player with losing players making more than winning players. Additionally many sites have removed rakeback entirely.

- TT
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03-19-2013 , 08:55 PM
Does the HUD work on Euro tables on a Mac?
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03-19-2013 , 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by As1an1nvas1on
Does the HUD work on Euro tables on a Mac?
There is an encoding bug in 4.07.1 which can affect Euro tables on the Mac for some users, we are working to fix this right now. In the meantime if this affects you, then you safely downgrade to 4.07. Normally we do not recommend downgrading, but in this instance downgrading is safe because it will not damage the database. As a reminder, downgrading may cause other conflicts, for example you may need to change to the US Region and English in your Operating System temporarily until a new update is tested and released.

Click Here to download 4.07 for Mac OS X
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03-19-2013 , 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerTracker
If your poker room provides rakeback and it is trackable, then we have a custom stat for it available at https://www.pokertracker.com/custom/stats

Watch this video to learn how to graph any stat, including rakeback stats, against your personal results graph: https://www.pokertracker.com/videos/...rsonal-results

Keep in mind that most rakeback is no longer trackable, many rooms have incorporated methods that weigh your rakeback or reward based on your value to them as a player with losing players making more than winning players. Additionally many sites have removed rakeback entirely.

- TT
Thanks for the post. Take a look at it tomorrow.
I play on PS and FTP. I assume that is not trackable?
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03-19-2013 , 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Atlantis1
Thanks for the post. Take a look at it tomorrow.
I play on PS and FTP. I assume that is not trackable?
Neither PokerStars or FTP provide rakeback, they both use a VIP method that simulates rakeback, but it is not actually rakeback. PokerStars VIP Club provides VPPs which can be tracked by PokerTracker 4, but FPPs cannot be tracked because they are a multiple of VPPs based on your current rating in the VIP club. You can find the VPP stat in the PokerTrackeer Download Warehouse. Full Tilt Poker cannot be tracked at this time, their universal rewards uses a proprietary weighting system that cannot be measured.

http://pokerfuse.com/news/poker-room...akeback-12-10/
http://www.pokerstars.com/vip/
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03-20-2013 , 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerTracker
PokerTracker 4 is about automation, manual placement tools that this stage of the poker evolution are archaic, our poker room partners have told us they prefer PokerTracker's automated method over the manual placement method of some of our competitors.
Yeah, the players who wanted to play tournaments or view their rakeback in a "good enough for a government graph"-fashion must feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

Beats me why a poker room would care how you find the tables. Obv if they say "we only allow one tournament hud per player" then that's different.

I understand it's not your fault though, company policies tend to be tough to overcome.
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03-20-2013 , 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by pasita
Yeah, the players who wanted to play tournaments or view their rakeback in a "good enough for a government graph"-fashion must feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
There are only 1 site of the many networks that we support that still has trackable rakeback, that is only Revolution, all others obfuscate their rakeback at this stage in some form to make it untrackable. Of course we can also track Stars VPPs, but not FPPs. The days of tracked rakeback in our industry are over sadly, the networks have put a stop to this.

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Originally Posted by pasita
Beats me why a poker room would care how you find the tables. Obv if they say "we only allow one tournament hud per player" then that's different.
Poker rooms care about user experiences, their user experience translates to rake yield and customer retention. They don't not want a third party application interfering with their user experience (yet luckily for us they continue to allow PokerTracker's HUD, they know this is a component that helps them profit and the positives outweigh the negatives). Its a a very common topic that they discuss with us, how to make our software easier to use and to make sure our software never interferes with the user experience they have spent millions to research and create for their customers. We must respect their choices and decisions, when we work closely with the networks, this benefits our users.
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03-20-2013 , 06:11 AM
microgaming HH change broke HUD
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03-20-2013 , 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by iL1keTurtles
Hi guys,

How would I find my stats (not results, stuff like vpip etc) against specific opponents, so I can analyse what they would see in game, and compare how our games match up?
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Originally Posted by PokerTracker
We hold back anything that could result in a poor user experience, as I said above it was something we tried but found poor results therefore it was not included in PT4. Perhaps in the future.
any updates on this?
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03-20-2013 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Nitrub
microgaming HH change broke HUD
Which change? What game type are you playing, cash or tournament?

PS: We cannot support the new BBJ because contributions are not logged in the hand history, Microgaming is aware of this, we let the, know in advance of the BBJ jackpot announcement.
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03-20-2013 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by iL1keTurtles
any updates on this?
Perhaps you misunderstood what we meant when we said "the future" in this situation, this could be years from now at the earliest, perhaps in PokerTracker 5? Our average user's computer could not handle the database queries that would be required at this time. We would like o add this as much as you would like to see it, but it's not in the cards at this time.
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03-20-2013 , 01:14 PM
What is the difference between CP and CCP, I know one i call percentage and what i the other one and how does it differ?
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03-20-2013 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by jinx00
What is the difference between CP and CCP, I know one i call percentage and what i the other one and how does it differ?
CP and CCP might be acronyms for the actual stat names of Call PF 2Bet and Cold Call 2Bet PF, and I correct? Here are the definitions and formulas for each stat, you can get this yourself by clicking Configure > Statistics and then type in any key word to find the stats your are looking for. Blind money is the big difference.

Call PF 2Bet:

Percentage of the time that a player called the first preflop raise, given that he had a chance to do so.

Formula: Number of Times Player Called a 2Bet Preflop / Number of Times Player Could Call a 2Bet Preflop

Cold Call 2Bet PF:

Percentage of the time that a player called a preflop 2Bet without having any money in the pot (including blind money).


Formula: Number of Times Player Cold Called Preflop / Number of Times Player Could Cold Call Preflop

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03-20-2013 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerTracker
Which change? What game type are you playing, cash or tournament?

PS: We cannot support the new BBJ because contributions are not logged in the hand history, Microgaming is aware of this, we let the, know in advance of the BBJ jackpot announcement.
Update: We can confirm that the first 1-2 hands will show in the HUD at Microgamng BBJ tables, then the HUD will no longer update. Hand importing appears to be working, but there may be issues with this that we have not yet uncovered. We are looking into getting a solution for Microgaming users soon.
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