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Old 03-04-2014, 06:50 PM   #151
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Re: PokerRanger

It might be my version or a bug of the software, but it crashes 'a lot'... mostly (but ive only used that so far) while having the range selector open.

When it crashes.. All the ranges that i saved or edited in the progress are gone. and it restored the last version before I opened the software previously.

If this is fixable, would be awesome.
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Old 03-06-2014, 08:15 PM   #152
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I really want to buy this software but so far, the lack of response make me hold off... Any response on my questions would be helpfull.

Thanks.
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Old 03-07-2014, 10:10 AM   #153
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Another option that would be awesome is to be able to select a portion of your range with some colors and then click a button and start that as your ' new ' range. so you can re-color that range...

This way you can just select the hands you continue with (red folds / green continue) and just dump all the red hands. To easily and fastly go over multiple street analyses and counting your combo's.
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Old 03-07-2014, 11:32 AM   #154
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Re: PokerRanger

Hi Mirthall and rh300487,

sorry for the late response. Let me answer all of your questions. There are a lot of features on quite a high priority, so that we cannot guarantee that your ideas will be implemented soon, but we will definitely think about them. To be completely honest, this is all we can definitely say that we will do. We also talk to other (power) users and have to discuss this internally as well.

Let's see what you describe. I hope it's clear enough to answer the questions according to the time they have been posted and not sorted by the one who asked.

Screenshot in specific format together with upload.
I get that it makes the software more comfortable and faster to use, I agree. Since we plan to offer more output possibilities, we might just add this one. Possibly, the planned output possibilities are sufficient for your use cases, anyway.

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1. Changing red select list -> radio box might require you to make window wider but it shouldn't matter even at 1280x800 resolution
I am afraid it might matter. On a smaller laptop screen, we experience that all the horizontal space is quite limited. So, we will probably not offer radio buttons here. The same applies for any other replacements that need more space.

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3. I would like to have option to substract predefined range.
On the to-do list already.

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Maybe you can make checkboxes so you can select multiple groups at the same time.
You elaborated on this in the post after this. Hands are clearly assigned to one group at a time, not to many because this is not reasonable from a calculatory point of view since it would need discounting the hands in both of the ranges (like 50%-50%). Weighting hands can be done by using specific suits and assigning them to the distinct groups. Of course, on suited boards that would not be very handy but a "real" weighting system would be extreme effort because it would affect all calculation functions of PokerRanger.

The way to go is to create one big group "3-bet/call, 3-bet/fold, call" and make further subgroups. I see that you did this in one of your later posts.

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Is there any way to have the same group labels for each specific color?
No, not currently.

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Yeah. but it doesnt function the same since you can't select hands mulptiple times
When creating a hierarchy, you can of course select the hands that have been in the parent range. But since you already utilized this feature I am not sure where your issue might be. Again, groups like "3-bet/fold" and "3-bet/call" that are on the same level cannot contain the same hands.

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sorry for spamming your topic
No worries whatsoever Your interest is awesome!

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Another cool feature would be to (for example) control + click and ranges will group together and you get an overview of those ranges and see how much % each range represents
Something like this or a feature to automatically add groups to one big parent group are planned.

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When putting weight into a range, is putting a % of the full range not better then just selecting the suits???? Now if we do 50% A - it doesnt select the 56cc for example..

If the flop now comes AK2ccc we never have a flush.. But if we indeed flat 50% of the time with 56cc, we will have 50% of 4 combo's of 56s, which would mean we do have some straights some % of the time. But the program will now ignore us having a straight.
We know of the issue. As explained above, though, saying that some hands in group A have 50% weight makes visualization so much more complicated, especially with whole hierarchies of groups. We think that it is important to have features that are intuitive to use. We have not found a way to make such range weights intuitive in combination with all the features of PokerRanger, yet. Because of this, we think that suits are the clearest way for now.

Greying out discounted combinations in Equity Tables Tab
Nice idea! We have put this on the to-do list.

Filename default
I think this is pretty individual. "untitled" is not a great name but most software has no default name. This might be useful for you but possibly not for other users.

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It might be my version or a bug of the software, but it crashes 'a lot'... mostly (but ive only used that so far) while having the range selector open.
Could you elaborate on that? What exactly do you do, when it crashes?

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Another option that would be awesome is to be able to select a portion of your range with some colors and then click a button and start that as your ' new ' range. so you can re-color that range...

This way you can just select the hands you continue with (red folds / green continue) and just dump all the red hands. To easily and fastly go over multiple street analyses and counting your combo's.
I am not sure how this is different from just starting a new group (with specific parent, if necessary) and then selecting hands? Sounds to me that this would exactly do what you need.

Thank you very much for your interest and your great input! Again, we apologize for the late answers.

All the best,
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Old 03-07-2014, 12:24 PM   #155
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When creating a hierarchy, you can of course select the hands that have been in the parent range. But since you already utilized this feature I am not sure where your issue might be. Again, groups like "3-bet/fold" and "3-bet/call" that are on the same level cannot contain the same hands.
Let's say we 3bet range/c range A, 3bet fold range B and 3b/5b shove range C.....

Now we 3bet... Villain calls.. We now have 3 ranges that go to the flop. Range A B and C. So if I could select those 3 ranges at the same time. I will get a quicker output/range to run equities with.

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I am not sure how this is different from just starting a new group (with specific parent, if necessary) and then selecting hands? Sounds to me that this would exactly do what you need.

Awesome! Figured that one out..

Now maybe a solid idea... Add postflop colors/groups. So it becomes more clear. Select range for flop continue, then click turn button and go to turn range...
Select range on turn we continue with, click river button.

^ this would be the nuts!
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Old 03-07-2014, 12:29 PM   #156
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Re: PokerRanger

Hi,

now notifications work fine.

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So if I could select those 3 ranges at the same time. I will get a quicker output/range to run equities with.
Yes. Group combinations are planned. At the moment, I would suggest that you first design a 3-bet-range. 3-bet/c, 3-bet/f and 3-bet/ship could all be subgroups to the 3-bet-range group. Of course, this is not comfortable if you have already designed 3-bet/fold, /c, /sh because you have to recreate the range. But for now it's the way to go.

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Now maybe a solid idea... Add postflop colors/groups. So it becomes more clear. Select range for flop continue, then click turn button and go to turn range...
Select range on turn we continue with, click river button.
We have thought about such a feature. However, the current group system is more flexible. You can simulate what you need, it is just not as comfortable as when it would be built-in. However, the built-in would probably lead to a decrease in flexibility since you might wanting to create ranges not based on streets but depending on other thoughts. Then, it might be counter-intuitive which is why we decided to implement the group system in this way.

Thanks again for your great input and questions!

Have a nice day,
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Old 03-07-2014, 12:46 PM   #157
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Re: PokerRanger

Could I then have it saved as one range with different sub group? Also I don't advocate that menthod you suggest because we want to be aware of the amount of combo's in each of our range to build out a balanced strategy.

It would be awesome to create a range with in there subranges (all within the same file..)

vs a raise for example we would get:

Vs Raise -->
Call
3Bet
-> Fold to 4b
-> Call 4b
-> 5Bet value
-> 5bet bluff



BTN opens we defend red, 3b fold green, 5bet shove for value with orange and 5b bluffshove with light blue

** not real ranges. just demonstrating the example.

Could you explain how you would achieve this in the current way? I believe the way I created it at the moment is by far the most supperior option but I would love to hear differently since this option is kind of a hastle creating the exact range to continue with.

Also, I don't understand why you don't want to have a PF and Postflop range selector since these are two different stages and having different selecting tools (same method but differently categories, rather then one HUGE group..) would be more effecient and clear to understand.

Just my 2 cents obv.
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Old 03-07-2014, 12:53 PM   #158
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Could I then have it saved as one range with different sub group?
Whatever you store in the custom ranges on the right side of the hand selection dialog also saves all groups of the range.

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Also I don't advocate that menthod you suggest because we want to be aware of the amount of combo's in each of our range to build out a balanced strategy.
Hm. I am not sure why you cannot see the combinations. When a group is selected, you can view the combinations on the bottom of the dialog. Of course, the parent range percentage is displayed according to what is in the total 3-bet range.

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Vs Raise -->
Call
3Bet
-> Fold to 4b
-> Call 4b
-> 5Bet value
-> 5bet bluff
This works as long as you have a parent range that has both call and 3-bet in there. You might also select just 100% as parent range.

That is probably how I would accomplish what you describe. But there might be other ways I am not aware of.

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Also, I don't understand why you don't want to have a PF and Postflop range selector since these are two different stages and having different selecting tools (same method but differently categories, rather then one HUGE group..)
Hm, yes, selecting might be different and it could be more clear. But apart from that the distinction of preflop and postflop seems a bit artificial. I have no use case in mind right now but when considering this option we had some, where it did not have any use and was confusing. We might rethink that at later times.

Thanks again and all the best,
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Old 03-07-2014, 01:02 PM   #159
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Yeah. so basically you are suggesting to create multiple files instead of one? Where I love the simplicity of one file.
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Old 03-07-2014, 01:10 PM   #160
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Actually, I mean that you can create a specific range, click on the custom ranges in the right tree and save the range (including all groups) there. This tree works for many files and PokerRanger instances. Once, you double-click on such an entry, you can recreate the range with all groups. That way, you can create ranges for many different scenarios.
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Old 03-07-2014, 04:30 PM   #161
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Re: PokerRanger

I am curious about the EV/FE Calculations , for 2 players will i be able to also calculate later streets (Turn/Rivers) or is it only flop ?

Looks like CREV is the only program able to calculate later streets postflop.

Just talking about heads up !
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Old 03-07-2014, 05:19 PM   #162
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Hi Glassofbeer,

you can also calculate later streets like turn or river. The only thing with PokerRanger is that the EV is only calculated for one street. So, if you would like to analyze an action on the turn, that will work. But if you want to analyze an action on the flop that integrates reactions on the turn or later, that is not possible. It is only a single-street analysis tab.

Did this answer your question?

Thank you very much for your interest and all the best,

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Old 03-07-2014, 07:25 PM   #163
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I got the grouping/parenting under control now (moreless.. stil a few things to figure out).. And it's awesome. it's what I wanted actually! Great JOB!
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Old 03-07-2014, 07:26 PM   #164
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Could you fix the saving stats somehow though? if I save a bunch of ranges then the program crashes and I didnt close it myself manually... It looses all info.
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Old 03-17-2014, 08:19 AM   #165
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Hi again,

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Could you fix the saving stats somehow though? if I save a bunch of ranges then the program crashes and I didnt close it myself manually... It looses all info.
In order to fix any crashes, could you supply some information about when exactly the software crashes? (crash report itself is not always very helpful)

Thank you very much and all the best!
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Old 03-22-2014, 08:12 AM   #166
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Hi again,


In order to fix any crashes, could you supply some information about when exactly the software crashes? (crash report itself is not always very helpful)

Thank you very much and all the best!
Eisflamme
this always happend while working on ranges. moment of saving or working in parent groups.
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Old 04-30-2014, 12:51 PM   #167
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Hi rh300487,

we apologize for the late answer.

It s to be an odd problem that occurs not on many systems which makes it harder to solve. We presume that you have the latest version of PokerRanger? Do you have any more details on whether you have to work on a specific range (e.g. with multiple subgroups), so that a crash occurs?

Thank you very much for your input and all the best!
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Old 06-27-2014, 01:36 PM   #168
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Re: PokerRanger

Hi,

I am having an issue. I have a saved range. I am unable to assign 'AKs' to a subrange and save the range. If I do assign it and save it, the entire range reverts back to an old incomplete range. I can change names, save it under different names, even create an entirely new range, and this particular problem occurs.

Now I have a template set up, and use it. it contains 3 main ranges Fold, Call, Raise... and 2 subcategories under the Raise category, RaiseCall and RaiseFold. Now I can set the cell in question to Fold or Call, but not Raise. If I do it reverts back to something i have no idea about.

Any help would be appreciated.

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Old 07-03-2014, 07:13 PM   #169
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Re: PokerRanger

Program looks sweet, man.

Small question about the tutorial: On the Raise/Fold example, it seems you have no way to specify which hands Player 2 bets. It assumes he bets all of his hands, right? Is there another tab that could specify which hands he bets?
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Old 07-04-2014, 02:52 AM   #170
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Re: PokerRanger

Hi,

D. Andrew:
Sorry for the late answer. I am not able to reproduce this issue. Do you have the same issue without storing the range in the custom ranges? For example, if you create a range, add a group and select AKs and click on Ok and reopen the range, is the group still there?

It seems a bit like the corresponding group is just not selected. Reverting should not happen automatically.

Mac>DaWade:
Yes, he bets all of his hands. If you wish to let him bet fewer combinations, you can just create a group of the player. Then, select this via the drop down of the input field for the total range of Player2 as the current range.

Thank you very much for your interest and all the best
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Old 07-14-2014, 10:28 AM   #171
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Re: PokerRanger

Hi folks,

PokerRanger will be available for a 20% discount between 14th July and 18th July due to a PokerStrategy promotion.

Do not miss out on it. I cannot post links here but I am sure you will be able to find it at the homepage of PokerStrategy.

Have a nice day,
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Old 07-15-2014, 03:29 PM   #172
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adding a sng function, I terms of $ev by payout structure
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Old 07-21-2014, 06:21 PM   #173
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FUUUUUU. Are there any other discounts out there? Can't believe I missed it by 3 days, so tilting
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Old 07-23-2014, 11:39 AM   #174
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FUUUUUU. Are there any other discounts out there? Can't believe I missed it by 3 days, so tilting
I'm with you. I check this post often, but not daily, and I missed it by 2 days. Waiting for next time (hopefully).
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Old 08-11-2014, 07:14 AM   #175
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Hi,

PS ICANTSNG:
Currently this is not prioritized high on our to do list. But we will keep this in mind.

TensRUs, HAMsmoke:
Sorry to hear that. You can also follow us on facebook and read about announcements if you visit this page more frequently. Most discounts are of short time period.

Thank you for your contribution!
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