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Old 07-03-2013, 03:16 PM   #76
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Re: PokerRanger

Hi KelvinKe,

well, the best answer to this question is probably that you should test it by yourself (21 days trial).

Let me try to answer your question anyways:

We believe that Flopzilla has no reasonable advantage over PokerRanger anymore. PokerRanger allows a specific evaluation of hand strengths on different boards like Flopzilla does. However, you also get this evaluation for two players (two ranges) with card removal effect, see the equities of all hand strengths, can manage your ranges comfortably and have a lot of other nice functions. For instance, you can see all you hands' equities against the other range illustrated in a matrix or you can get to know EV of singular actions. Also, you can import hands from HEM or PT4 to use these EV functions. Furthermore, it is possible to create groups which can be used to evaluate equities or hand strengths on specific boards... This list could go on for a while, so I'll just stop here.

There might be some particular functions of Flopzilla which PokerRanger does not provide; I simply cannot be entirely sure about that because I have not tested Flopzilla for a very long time. However, the number of functions that PokerRanger offers which Flopzilla does not exhibit is by far larger.

Equilab simply shows the equity and has some other functions which are not as clear as in Flopzilla. It offers a training function but PokerRanger has one, too, which has a lot of more functions. So, I would not say that Equilab is in any way comparable. Of course, for determining equity with more than 2 players, it is great. And it is free, so one cannot expect it to have a whole lot of innovative functions. As far as I know they do not continue developing this software, either, but I am not sure about this right now, so take this piece of information with caution. It is free, so you might just want to use it for equity calculations of more than 2 players (yes, PokerRanger does not support this), if you need it in specific calculations. Most users say that it would be nice but it is not that important, so we try to focus on other things.

Combonator's greatest function is the possibility to create groups and get specific output. PokerRanger offers groups as well and has a selector which is somewhat more advanced. Also, some people say that PokerRanger has a better UI and is clearer, but that might not be everyone's opinion. Of course, Combonator's output is great and we are working to get a better output for groups and other functions, as well. So, that might be something which Combonator is better with - at the very moment. On the other hand, PokerRanger's groups are combinable with all the other functions like the EV/FE tab.

Something PokerRanger does not offer is ICM calculation functionality, as this is tourney/SNG-specific and we did decide to put tourney/SNG-concerned functionality on a low priority. Of course, the software will still important those hand histories and the different tabs are very useful to improve your game as a tourney/SNG player.

tl;dr / All in all: There is a ton of differences between all of the tools. PokerRanger seeks to put the functions of all of them together in a way that it is most comfortable to use. A lot of our users said months ago that this was already the case. Now, however, PokerRanger has a whole lot more of functions.

So, you should test it yourself but we believe that you do not need a whole lot of tools, when you use our software, as it simply offers the same (and more) functions.

Of course, we are always very open to any kind of feedback. So, if someone strongly disagrees, feel very free to post your ideas.

Thank you a lot for your interest and if you have further questions, just ask!
Have a nice day and best regards,
Eisflamme

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Old 07-03-2013, 04:12 PM   #77
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Re: PokerRanger

That's extremely helpful thanks . One more question, how much overlap in terms of functionality is there between PR and CREV? And if you could explain some more about how useful CREV will be if I buy PR?
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Old 07-03-2013, 04:22 PM   #78
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Hi again and glad that I could help you so far,

CREV has another focus. It is extremely powerful in determining EVs of whole trees of actions between players. PokerRanger only offers a one-street functionality for determining EVs and FE at the moment (a simple tree is planned for the future). CREV can also display how often players hit specific hands on boards or something, but it is less clear to most players. PokerRanger is faster to use for specific board/range situations with a table or matrix as a result and is easier to use.

So, I think that CREV and PokerRanger can both be very useful and they can also be combined (and are combined by some users). PokerRanger offers you a way to get fast and clear results on specific spots on boards. CREV is less clear and seems to be perceived complicated for many users. However, it is very powerful in determining EVs of complex EV trees and you can even integrate own scripts to make it even more powerful.

So, it depends a lot on what you wish and what you would like to find out in detail. Probably, both of the tools can be combined to get an optimal result, but this is highly individual and depends more on your preferences than on anything else.

Hopefully, this answered your question, as well.

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Old 07-03-2013, 04:47 PM   #79
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That's great, thank you buddy
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Old 07-07-2013, 07:14 AM   #80
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Re: PokerRanger

Hi,

we offer a new update, now. This fixes a few cascaded-group-related bugs and offers some new features.

Thank you for your great ideas and best regards!
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Old 07-12-2013, 07:02 AM   #81
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Re: PokerRanger

I'm having trouble importing ipoker hands. If I try to import from clipboard, pokerranger freezes and I have to shut it down via the task manager. Stars, FTP and Party hands are all importing fine.

great program btw.
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Old 07-12-2013, 07:18 AM   #82
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Hallo salut,

glad that you like the software and thanks for your feedback! Could you please send the corresponding hand history to pokerranger@elypson.com ? We will look into it, then, and fix it with one of the next updates.

Thank you very much!
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Old 07-14-2013, 01:27 PM   #83
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Re: PokerRanger

Thanks for your help EF.

Just for reference if anyone else has the same problem - to get iPoker hands into pokerranger from HEM2, you just need to upload the hand to 'My HM' where you can then use the converter there to convert to plain text.
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Old 07-15-2013, 03:02 PM   #84
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Hi salut,

thanks for pointing that out! That's right, most of the hand histories which cannot be read by PokerRanger can be read, if they have been uploaded to "My HEM" before.

Examples are some iPoker hand histories (some are readable already) and Boss Poker hand histories.

Thank you very much and have a nice day,
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Old 07-16-2013, 08:13 AM   #85
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Re: PokerRanger

Hi again,

please also notice that we have set up a new forum, where you can upload screenshots or ask questions. We get a special alert, when questions are asked, so the response time might be higher than in other forums.

Thank you very much and best regards,
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Old 07-17-2013, 08:33 PM   #86
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Re: PokerRanger

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Originally Posted by Eisflamme View Post
Hi salut,

thanks for pointing that out! That's right, most of the hand histories which cannot be read by PokerRanger can be read, if they have been uploaded to "My HEM" before.

Examples are some iPoker hand histories (some are readable already) and Boss Poker hand histories.

Thank you very much and have a nice day,
Eisflamme
The above work, I used to do that myself, but I have a more easy solution without the need to upload to "My HM" and use a browser!

* If you inside HEM right click on the hand and choose "view" you can convert it direct from there to "plain Text" and click "copy to clipboard".

I have used up the trial but when I discovered this I think I might buy a copy...
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Old 08-01-2013, 05:47 AM   #87
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Re: PokerRanger

Hi,

just wanted to shortly announce that there is a lot of backend work in progress, which will make the software more solid and allow us to create more and very stable features.

Also notice that a price increase is planned for the beginning of September!

Best regards and good luck!
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Old 08-02-2013, 07:29 AM   #88
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Re: PokerRanger

Is it possible in your software to choose flushdraw or highcard and select in the player card combination matrix, which pop-ups near, a subrange? For instance I selected highcard but want to choose only high card with Ahigh and omit Khigh on Qxx board or flushdraw only with Ahigh or Khigh. If it is not possible I would like that this feature will be added.
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Old 08-02-2013, 08:27 AM   #89
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Hi voy@ger,

I am not entirely sure if I understood exactly what you need.

Generally, there are two methods to select hands: the first two tabs and the selector in the hand selection dialog.

As for the first two tabs:
- below "Flushdraw" there is "To the nuts" which is any Ax FD on Kxx (or less) boards and Kx FD on Axx. You can also tick "To 2nd nuts", "To 3rd nuts" etc. to combine these.
- in the case of highcards with A-hi there is a box "With Ace" below "Overcards" in the draw category

All of these selections can be combined.

As for the hand selection dialog:
- when you select flushdraw, you can again say "to the nuts" or "to the 2nd nuts" or anything else and also tell the software "or above" and "or below"
- for highcards, you can choose if both cards should be overcards or only one; for each of these cases, you can additionally select if those highcards should contain A/K
- after selection, you can further modify your selection by just unticking the hands you are not interested in

Please also note that you can build groups. Any filter can also be applied to a specific group, so that it automatically generates a sub range. The first two tabs also generate subranges of the currently selected hand range, which can - via right click - automatically inserted as a group.

So, from what I see all the functions you mention are supported.

If you have further questions, do not hesitate to ask here, via our support page, the forum or also via Skype (if interested, you can just send me a PM). The popup does not allow to change ranges, however, for your described scenarios it does not appear to be necessary, anyway. If you want to modify ranges further, I would just suggest to create a group from the selection and change it via the hand selection dialog.

Thank you very much for your interest and best regards!
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Old 08-02-2013, 09:06 AM   #90
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I could see overcards only on J72 board on Q72 board I see only highcard(excluded villain range from AK) this highcard include Ahigh and Khigh hands. There is no option how to select Ahigh hands only. I suggest that you could make possibility to choose any subrange of particular range(three of kind, pair, highcards, draws etc) manually, choosing it in pop-up card matrix

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Old 08-02-2013, 09:31 AM   #91
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Re: PokerRanger

Hi,

well, this seems strange. When entering a board of Qd7h2c, I get the "overcards" result just as expected. They are not shown there, however, if they are flushdraws, too. In that case, you should look at "flushdraws" and select "to the nuts".

Changing hands in the popup might be possible but has some implications:
- as the result is no longer "correct" because it has been changed, some text "changed" should be displayed at the corresponding rows
- when changing a range or a boardcard, immediate recalculation will discard the changes
- there has to be a shortcut to make the popup stay, so that changes can be made

Is this your intuition or would you expect a different behaviour?

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Old 08-10-2013, 08:01 PM   #92
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Re: PokerRanger

Hey Eisflamme !

I just purchased your product and already have a question:
At the board hits tab I cant see anything. I did choose the player1 and player2 ranges, selected the flop cards, but all I see under the hit% are the main hand types: made hands,draws,combodraws and nothing else, no percentages ,no sub-categories like str8,2pair,tp,2nd..etc.

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Old 08-11-2013, 06:08 AM   #93
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Hi,

this is a known issue for WinXP systems. A known workaround is to disable "Hide empty lines for Board Evaluation Tabs" in the option menu.

Please let us know if that works for you!

Thank you very much for your interest and best regards,
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Old 08-11-2013, 06:28 AM   #94
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^^ this worked, thanks
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Old 08-11-2013, 07:26 PM   #95
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Re: PokerRanger

Other questions:

1. what is the difference between schema and custom sum (under board hits tab). Once I set up the custom sum and save it I feel I am done. What is the schema for?
2. when I try ti update the pokerranger I get this message: Couldnt update to update.zip.
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Old 08-14-2013, 01:47 AM   #96
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Re: PokerRanger

I am new to the program but I can't figure out what I messed up here, any ideas? Thanks.
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Old 08-18-2013, 04:47 AM   #97
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There's a function in ProPokerTools called Shove equity.... http://www.propokertools.com/oracle_help/shove_equity

Is that type of function possible on pokerranger? Thank you
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Old 08-19-2013, 10:09 AM   #98
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Re: PokerRanger

Hello,

What am I missing here?

Player 2 bets turn, Player 1 ships. I want know the EV of the ship, including FE.

I have selected "First action by Player 2"

What line do I select in order to define the range that player 2 will fold?
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Old 08-28-2013, 04:06 PM   #99
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um, hello?
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Old 08-28-2013, 07:03 PM   #100
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Re: PokerRanger

Hi,

we apologize for the late answer. The notification system of 2+2 has not worked as we have expected, so that we deduced that no further questions have been posted.

However, we will look into your questions and answer them during the next days. For a faster support, we also would like to point to our official support forum, which has a guaranteed notification function.

We apologize again for any later answers and thank you for your interest! We will answer your questions very soon!

Best regards,
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