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Old 06-11-2017, 06:33 PM   #501
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Finally purchased it... super cool so far, just playing around with it. I watched the one basic video on how to use it so i got the basics down.

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Great to hear, thanks.
You were looking at the Mac-Expert version I remember right, you got that one or the iPhone version? (this is the iPhone version thread)
Either way all good, welcome to PokerCruncher.

The Tutorial & Videos webpage is a good place to start.
I'd start out just looking at the section titles and seeing what features are there, and what the additional expert-level features are if you have the Mac-Expert version.
The tutorial video at the top of the page, that too I'd start out with just the first ~15 mins.
In the written tutorial and video there's a lot of content, will/should take some time to digest.
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Old 06-11-2017, 07:33 PM   #502
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Got it on iphone. Worth every penny.


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Old 06-12-2017, 03:54 PM   #503
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Great to hear, thanks.
You were looking at the Mac-Expert version I remember right, you got that one or the iPhone version? (this is the iPhone version thread)
Either way all good, welcome to PokerCruncher.

The Tutorial & Videos webpage is a good place to start.
I'd start out just looking at the section titles and seeing what features are there, and what the additional expert-level features are if you have the Mac-Expert version.
The tutorial video at the top of the page, that too I'd start out with just the first ~15 mins.
In the written tutorial and video there's a lot of content, will/should take some time to digest.
I got the mac expert version. I watched that tutorial a while back, and rewatched it again, up to the point that he brings in a word doc. I've got the basics down, just need to figure out the subranges and all the stuff that compares how ranges are doing on each board. Everything thus far has been easy to use once I figured it out. Ah, **** I didn't realize their were two threads. If I have any more questions I'll go back to that one.
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Old 06-12-2017, 06:12 PM   #504
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I got the mac expert version. I watched that tutorial a while back, and rewatched it again, up to the point that he brings in a word doc. I've got the basics down, just need to figure out the subranges and all the stuff that compares how ranges are doing on each board. Everything thus far has been easy to use once I figured it out. Ah, **** I didn't realize their were two threads. If I have any more questions I'll go back to that one.
Good, see you on the Mac version thread in the future if/when needed.

Re. subranges, the current solution in this app is to save/load them in the 100 app-internal range slots. The tutorial has a section "Manage Subranges" (for Mac-Expert version) e.g. how to generate subranges automatically, and save/load and add/remove them.

That's the right point to stop at in the video tutorial (the ~17 min. mark), in the first viewings.

There have been some changes/improvements to the app since the video was made, listed at the top of the tutorial webpage. E.g. range grid mouse click/drag behavior was changed, SHIFT+click etc. behavior; should be clear after you start clicking around on the range grid. -RJ
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Old 06-23-2017, 04:30 PM   #505
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Cant get the subranges on the iPhone version. (Different categorization of whole range) Is this something that is not included in iPhone version or am i missing something? /Fredrik
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Old 06-23-2017, 07:08 PM   #506
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Cant get the subranges on the iPhone version. (Different categorization of whole range) Is this something that is not included in iPhone version or am i missing something? /Fredrik
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What subranges functionality are you referring to, the features mentioned in this section of the tutorial?

These extra subranges features are in the Mac ("Expert") version only, not in the "Advanced" iPhone, iPad, and Android versions. The main reason is that the Mac, being a more powerful machine with a much larger screen area and a more flexible keyboard/mouse input, allows for a more powerful program.

However we can work with subranges in the iPhone-Advanced version, but in a more "manual" way. For example the Mac-Expert version has a "filter range" feature that you can use to automatically generate subranges on the flop, then again on the turn, etc. But in the iPhone version you'll have to do the subrange editing manually, e.g. remove cells/hands that won't be in the range any more.

What I do is save the original preflop range in one of the 100 range slots, say into slot #1, then save the subranges into slots #2, #3, etc. Saving the subranges into separate slots lets us go back and forth and e.g. count/compare the number of hand combos in the subranges. I use the first 10 slots for such temporary subranges work, and I use the higher numbered slots to hold my more permanent library ranges.

Well that's one suggested usage for subranges, in the iPhone version.
If you give an example or usage scenario of what you want to do with subranges, we can look at how to do it. Thanks, -RJ
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Old 06-24-2017, 03:49 AM   #507
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Thx for Quick anwser. Yeah i was trying to do that and managed but found it to be a little bit of a hustle. For example RFI CO with a range, gets called by BB then a flop comes. I want to count how many valuebet combos i have compared to bluffs on flop that i use as cb. Also i want to compare how many checks i have that are semigood and can balance out my **** hands. Would you suggest creating 5 ranges for this? First RFI CO in #1, valuebets in #2, bluffs in #3, good checksbacks #4 and **** hands in #5. Iwould like to get all of these Numbers in tje same view.

Then i want to do the same for BB range and of different turn and river runout. It becomes alot of different ranges and i see that i miss combos in some of the ranges since i cant see at the same time exactly what i categorized the hand where. Do you have any tip for this or do i need to get off my phone for this to be working efficiantly? 😊 Would be so awesome to have this on the phone

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Old 06-24-2017, 02:59 PM   #508
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Thx for Quick anwser. Yeah i was trying to do that and managed but found it to be a little bit of a hustle. For example RFI CO with a range, gets called by BB then a flop comes. I want to count how many valuebet combos i have compared to bluffs on flop that i use as cb. Also i want to compare how many checks i have that are semigood and can balance out my **** hands. Would you suggest creating 5 ranges for this? First RFI CO in #1, valuebets in #2, bluffs in #3, good checksbacks #4 and **** hands in #5. Iwould like to get all of these Numbers in tje same view.

Then i want to do the same for BB range and of different turn and river runout. It becomes alot of different ranges and i see that i miss combos in some of the ranges since i cant see at the same time exactly what i categorized the hand where. Do you have any tip for this or do i need to get off my phone for this to be working efficiantly? 😊 Would be so awesome to have this on the phone

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>>> Yeah i was trying to do that and managed but found it to be a little bit of a hustle.

Yes extensive subranges work like this will be slower and more cumbersome to do in the Advanced versions of this app, but will go much faster in the Mac-Expert version as I'll describe below.

>>> For example RFI CO with a range, gets called by BB then a flop comes. I want to count how many valuebet combos i have compared to bluffs on flop that i use as cb. Also i want to compare how many checks i have that are semigood and can balance out my **** hands. Would you suggest creating 5 ranges for this? First RFI CO in #1, valuebets in #2, bluffs in #3, good checksbacks #4 and **** hands in #5.

Sounds like good analysis work; you're trying to make sure your range is balanced.

This will be much faster and easier to do in the Mac-Expert version of this app.

In the iPhone (Advanced) version, you have to manually create each of the subranges yourself by eyeballing the flop and the range and then picking out the value bet combos, bluffs, draws, etc. This is a lot of work to do and is error-prone because you're doing it manually and in your head. The very small iPhone screen doesn't help either i.e. you can't see all the pieces of the situation/scenario at the same time.

Compare to the Mac-Expert version: As already said its "filter range" feature is huge. For your value bet subrange, you'd turn on the checkmarks of the stats (hand types) that you want to include in the value bet subrange, e.g. all made hands TopPair or better. Then do a filter range operation. This generates your value bet subrange automatically; then save the subrange into one of the 100 range slots. Repeat for your bluffs subrange, then your other subranges e.g. semi-bluffs, checks, etc., saving each subrange into a different slot. Note that for each subrange you're having the app do the subrange-creation work for you (filter range operation); you're not painstakingly creating/editing each subrange yourself which is also error-prone.

5 subranges here sounds fine, but can easily be more or fewer, depends on our personal usages and analysis styles. E.g. I might divide up the bluffs subrange further into a semi bluffs subrange and a pure bluffs subrange. But that's just details. There are 100 range slots that you can save subranges into, should be flexible enough for anything, and we can name the range slots to keep track of what's where.

>>> Iwould like to get all of these Numbers in tje same view.

The Mac-Expert version has this ability. In the 100 range slots pulldown list, each subrange's number of hand combos is shown, so you can look at the combo counts of your 5 subranges all at once and for starters you can do a simple addition to make sure the counts add up to the original entire range. This is feature #7 in the manage subranges section of the tutorial. There are other features like add/remove subranges from a given range.

>>> Then i want to do the same for BB range and of different turn and river runout. It becomes alot of different ranges and i see that i miss combos in some of the ranges since i cant see at the same time exactly what i categorized the hand where.

You're doing pretty extensive subranges work, for each player in the hand and on each street, so there's no getting around having lots of subranges. Re. "since i cant see at the same time exactly what i categorized the hand where", the feature #7 mentioned in the previous paragraph helps with this in the Mac-Expert version.

>>> Do you have any tip for this or do i need to get off my phone for this to be working efficiantly?

The only tip I have is to move to the more powerful and much larger screen size Mac-Expert version : ).
You're not exactly a "lite" user, you're doing heavy subranges analysis, so I think you'll want to use the most powerful and largest screen size version of this program.

>>> 😊 Would be so awesome to have this on the phone

Yes, but it can't happen. The Mac-Expert version will always be the most powerful version of this program. Makes sense right that the device (Mac) that's the most powerful and largest screen size would have the most powerful version of this program. I'd say of any type of scientific analysis program.

Thanks for explaining your usage scenarios and for using PokerCruncher so thoroughly and effectively. -RJ
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