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04-23-2017 , 01:02 PM
Is there anyone that offers professional Pio preflop support? I am trying to do some calculations on a server but nothing useful ever comes out of the calculations and I cant find the error.
I would obviously pay for this.
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04-23-2017 , 05:42 PM
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Does anyone have an idea how to get a rough computing time estimate when running huge scripts?
It's very hard to do. Good news is that you can kill the script during execution and then run it again at more convenient time. As long as you don't move the saves from the original destination folder (the one specified when generating the script) it will automatically skip over already done trees and continue where it left off.

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Are u guys just hiding in ur labcaves in Poland being all mystikal or is Pio gonna be going in this direction in the future?
We are a small team and our business model is such that we develop first and sell later. This requires planning and making priorities as there are many risks like for example being left with nothing to sell if we just continue to add most obvious features without working on anything new.

I don't like to make promises or answer questions about our plans. At the end of the day we try to do stuff which we think there is the most demand for even if that means there is little new for some time which we need to take to develop thing. To put it bluntly: if you want ETAs, plans and milestones you need to hire your own team and pay them full salary

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Is there anyone that offers professional Pio preflop support? I am trying to do some calculations on a server but nothing useful ever comes out of the calculations and I cant find the error.
There is a video about the preflop solver, here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX8n2E3OGok

it should be enough to get you started. That being said please email us or pm me so I will add you on Skype. While we don't do any coaching we always try to help and we may get someone knowledgeable to help you if you are willing to pay for that.
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04-23-2017 , 11:54 PM
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There shouldn't be although:

-if you run too many it might be detrimental for performance
-it's a good idea to make copies of the Pio folder and start Viewers from those separate folders. The Viewer is not designed to be run mulitiple times from the same folder as it has only one settings file so if you you have multiple ones and start changing settings you may run into errors
As long as I'm starting the Viewer from a separate folder, is it fine if the solver exe is run from the same folder? Pio automatically connects to solvers in the default folder.

Also, how many is "too many"?
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04-24-2017 , 03:26 AM
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As long as I'm starting the Viewer from a separate folder, is it fine if the solver exe is run from the same folder? Pio automatically connects to solvers in the default folder.
Yes, it's not a problem. What happens is that every open viewer starts its own private copy of the solver in the background.

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Also, how many is "too many"?
I don't know, it's very difficult to measure and may be different on different machines. There is a point where you will lose on overall performance. I have no idea where it is.
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04-24-2017 , 06:55 PM
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Btw, we recently determined the best subsets out of the ones we are shipping, they are listed here:

https://pastebin.com/AtyU84qC
are the current best subsets for preflop analysis only available for edge members or is it free info?
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04-25-2017 , 03:45 AM
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are the current best subsets for preflop analysis only available for edge members or is it free info?
They are available here:
https://piosolver.myshopify.com/blog...iosolver-1-9-2

(point 3)

Notice that the subsets are designed to be good at estimating EVs of the whole game which makes them suitable for solving preflop trees as well as running aggregation reports on them. They are not necessary good at being good representation of various board textures for coaching/analysis.
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04-25-2017 , 10:28 AM
hi !

I currently use PIO basic on a system with a Xeon E3-1230 V2, 16GB DDR3 RAM, Windows7, a low end graphic card and I mediocre SSD hard drive.
I would like the speed that PIO works to improve significantly, what would be your recommendations if I buy a new system to maximize PIO performance ? It would only be used for PIO, no games, nothing else.


thx
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04-25-2017 , 03:14 PM
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I would like the speed that PIO works to improve significantly, what would be your recommendations if I buy a new system to maximize PIO performance ? It would only be used for PIO, no games, nothing else.
You can try getting a faster CPU (for example a new 8core Ryzen which is reasonably priced). You can get about 2x faste CPU without going for dual box setups (which is not recommended as they are very expensive).
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04-25-2017 , 04:15 PM
hi

thx for the reply. so the other components are more or less irrelevant for speed ?
will upgrade to pro version help since there are up to 12 threads supported ?
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04-25-2017 , 07:32 PM
Hi punter. I'm a bit lost with scripting. What I want to do is using a defined set of flops, generate the simulation for each one of them. I tried defining the flops and running the script but it only generates a CFR file for each flop, without doing any calculation
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04-25-2017 , 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by punter11235
Notice that the subsets are designed to be good at estimating EVs of the whole game which makes them suitable for solving preflop trees as well as running aggregation reports on them. They are not necessary good at being good representation of various board textures for coaching/analysis.
I know this kind of info is not under your concern but by any chance do you guys know any topic discussing that?
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04-26-2017 , 03:19 AM
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thx for the reply. so the other components are more or less irrelevant for speed ?
Yes.

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will upgrade to pro version help since there are up to 12 threads supported ?
Basic version supports 6 these days, pro will support 16 from the next release. It only matters on hexa core CPUs (or bigger ones).

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Hi punter. I'm a bit lost with scripting. What I want to do is using a defined set of flops, generate the simulation for each one of them. I tried defining the flops and running the script but it only generates a CFR file for each flop, without doing any calculation
I am not sure what the problem is. Have you watched the FAQ about scripting, here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhG_YsEvfwU (point 6)

I am probably misunderstanding what you want to do so if the video above doesn't help please describe the problem a bit more.

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I know this kind of info is not under your concern but by any chance do you guys know any topic discussing that?
I don't but it's a very popular question (to find a small set of boards which represent typical textures for studying). I am sure there are some resources out there.
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04-26-2017 , 07:25 AM
I'm planning on getting pio for my laptop, but was wondering if it can run preflop sims or not (so would I buy edge or lower one)

I have Intels 3-core i5-5200U CPU, 2.2GHz. 16RAM. Is this enough to run preflop sims with edge?
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04-26-2017 , 01:46 PM
noob question here, I'm pretty new to piosolver and was wondering if theres anyway to overcome this, So pretty much call it initiative or w.e you want but say you raise utg and get called ip, pio doesnt take into account that youre the preflop raiser and suggests you to be checking much more than you really should, just wondering if there is some sort of feature that I'm unaware of that would help with this problem?
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04-26-2017 , 04:52 PM
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I have Intels 3-core i5-5200U CPU, 2.2GHz. 16RAM. Is this enough to run preflop sims with edge?
This will be enough for the postflop solver although it won't fast. This is only a dual core CPU so you can expect about 3x slower solving than benchmarks on the website (that meanst 10-15minutes for a tree with one size at every point).

Laptops are not suitable for the preflop solver. For that you need a work station with 64GB of RAM (32GB is enough for some simple cases but you will run into limitations very fast) and fast modern CPU with a lot of cores.

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So pretty much call it initiative or w.e you want but say you raise utg and get called ip, pio doesnt take into account that youre the preflop raiser and suggests you to be checking much more than you really should, just wondering if there is some sort of feature that I'm unaware of that would help with this problem?
It's not a problem, it's optimal way to play to check OOP a lot (and in some spots all the hands).
That being said the usual reason for the solutions to have OOP check at 100% is too tight a range given for IP. In general people were folding way too much IP and most configs I've seen contain very strong IP range (comparing to optimal ones) which will lower already quite low OOP's bet frequency to 0.
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04-26-2017 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by punter11235
This will be enough for the postflop solver although it won't fast. This is only a dual core CPU so you can expect about 3x slower solving than benchmarks on the website (that meanst 10-15minutes for a tree with one size at every point).

Laptops are not suitable for the preflop solver. For that you need a work station with 64GB of RAM (32GB is enough for some simple cases but you will run into limitations very fast) and fast modern CPU with a lot of cores.



It's not a problem, it's optimal way to play to check OOP a lot (and in some spots all the hands).
That being said the usual reason for the solutions to have OOP check at 100% is too tight a range given for IP. In general people were folding way too much IP and most configs I've seen contain very strong IP range (comparing to optimal ones) which will lower already quite low OOP's bet frequency to 0.
so is there anyway to know which hands you should be checking more than not? given it says you should be betting something super small like 3%>?
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04-27-2017 , 02:12 AM
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For postflop trees it makes more sense to think in % of the pot terms. Something like 0.35% is a very good solution already. 0.5% is a good outline but rivers will still not be very precise, 0.25% is close to perfect in practical terms.
Hmm, I've generally been running for example srp pots with 100bb stacks until 1.5bb explo, not using the % option. Are those sims way off then? I assume flop still gets solved quite accurately?
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04-27-2017 , 02:45 AM
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so is there anyway to know which hands you should be checking more than not? given it says you should be betting something super small like 3%>?
I am not sure I understand the question. If the solution with given ranges is to check almost 100% then you should be checking almost 100% (or just 100% for simplicity).

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Hmm, I've generally been running for example srp pots with 100bb stacks until 1.5bb explo, not using the % option. Are those sims way off then? I assume flop still gets solved quite accurately?
1.5bb is very good accuracy for most spots and even a bit of an overkill for some others.
For example for standard SRP with 5/10 blinds the starting pot would be 55, 1.5bb/100 is 0.15 per hand which is 0.27% of the pot.

In 3bet pots you shouldn't aim for accuracy that good anyway (as it will take a lot of time for the solver to reach it as it's relatively very close to 0).

As a reminder and a good reference point: the rake in 5/10 game is 30bb/100 for postflop spots, the solution which is exploitable (with perfect play assuming complete information about what exactly you are doing which isn't realistic at all) for 1.5bb/100 is perfect for all practical purposes and you can likely stop way sooner than that.
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04-27-2017 , 06:36 AM
Gotcha, thanks man!
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04-27-2017 , 02:40 PM
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it should be enough to get you started. That being said please email us or pm me so I will add you on Skype. While we don't do any coaching we always try to help and we may get someone knowledgeable to help you if you are willing to pay for that.
I'm also new to PIO (already bought it though) and am kind of fumbling along as well. It seems the greatest resource available on your webpage is the series of David Alford videos that are no longer available. I clicked a link to a related producer on your Youtube page and was excited to see hours and hours of GTO solver videos only to find they were for one of your competitor's products.

I'm not ******ed and will eventually get things locked down but it would nice if it was an easier process.
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04-27-2017 , 05:18 PM
Hello,

when I try to save strategy as preflop chart it saves as txt document. In the saving pop up under the name that i want it to give there is no format available to chose from. Any help?

Thanks in advance!
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04-27-2017 , 05:22 PM
Is there any way to change the color of the letters when creating charts? when using dark colors i can barely read them
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04-27-2017 , 08:43 PM
Hello, can anyone help me to choose between PioSOLVERbasic and PioSOLVERpro? I have heard that PioSOLVERpro requires very high CPU but don't know anything else about the differences of these two.
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04-28-2017 , 02:30 AM
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It seems the greatest resource available on your webpage is the series of David Alford videos that are no longer available.
Thanks for pointing that out. Most of them were available just a few days ago. I will figure it out with David.
I suggest browsing descriptions of FAQ videos as well. I agree there should be more demonstration videos.

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when I try to save strategy as preflop chart it saves as txt document.
Yes, you can then read them using preflop chart tool (ctrl+P or under Tools).
Just make sure to save them in PreflopCharts folder.

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Is there any way to change the color of the letters when creating charts? when using dark colors i can barely read them
It's not available at the moment. Isn't black the most clear on red/green/blue colors? (you can change the colors of the squares but not the font).

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Hello, can anyone help me to choose between PioSOLVERbasic and PioSOLVERpro?
With the pro version you get:
-scripting (you can automate solving for when you are away from your computer)
-ability to run the solver on 2 computers
-support for bigger CPUs

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I have heard that PioSOLVERpro requires very high CPU
That's not correct. It supports CPUs with more cores if you have them but it doesn't matter on normal ones. As the basic version is compiled to use 6 threads these days it doesn't matter on laptops or desktops with quad core CPUs (it only matter on hexa core and bigger CPUs).
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04-28-2017 , 02:56 AM
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Is there any way to change the color of the letters when creating charts? when using dark colors i can barely read them
Can you make an update and enable us to change the font? When i print dark colors font isnt visible. Thank you
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