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Old 02-19-2017, 07:19 PM   #2226
Frankie Fuzz
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

Also, another quick question. If I am making a tree for 30/60 limit holdem, should I make the turn and river cap "4" or should I put "240"?
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Old 02-19-2017, 07:23 PM   #2227
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

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So it actually was giving updates, just very slowly. I was just solving the QhJh2 s flop for limit holdem. I let it run for about 15 minutes and it got down to 0.35% of the pot per hand exploitability. I am running a 2012 Macbook pro via bootcamp.
Limit trees are just very big. It's possible to build them below 16GB now but they are still slow to solve. It's a good idea to look for some simplifications (removing very rare lines) to get the solutions faster.

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Also, another quick question. If I am making a tree for 30/60 limit holdem, should I make the turn and river cap "4" or should I put "240"?
It's the easiest to use the limit tab:
https://gyazo.com/1caebecb46cb5d304c65648895153225

cap is number of bets so put 4 there (or less if you want to simplify the tree as limit trees are quite big).

It's possible to do limit in the main tab as well by using "c" postfix for bets, like here:
http://pastebin.com/Gz7bd9MS

(to see the configuration in your viewer copy the text and then to go Tools->Paste treebuilding configuration)
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Old 02-19-2017, 07:41 PM   #2228
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

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Limit trees are just very big. It's possible to build them below 16GB now but they are still slow to solve. It's a good idea to look for some simplifications (removing very rare lines) to get the solutions faster.



It's the easiest to use the limit tab:
https://gyazo.com/1caebecb46cb5d304c65648895153225

cap is number of bets so put 4 there (or less if you want to simplify the tree as limit trees are quite big).

It's possible to do limit in the main tab as well by using "c" postfix for bets, like here:
http://pastebin.com/Gz7bd9MS

(to see the configuration in your viewer copy the text and then to go Tools->Paste treebuilding configuration)
ok, thanks. I bet that's part of the reason why my tree was so big. I was putting the actual pot total for "cap" (eg 240 instead of 4).
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Old Yesterday, 04:35 PM   #2229
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

Sorry if this question got answered already, but does the full version come with more aprox preflop ranges or am I able to get them anywhere else? Like SBvsCO openraise etc
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Old Today, 11:19 AM   #2230
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

Hi, I'm new to piosolver. Just a simple question I hope. I have Basic. When I put in the figures for postflop tree building & calculations, I entered Effective Stacks as 480. Then once I've built the tree & hit Go, Calculate & then gone to Browser, it says Starting Stacks are 120.
I'm hoping there's something simple I'm doing wrong?
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Old Today, 03:12 PM   #2231
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

i have this problem, simulated the hand and the results were confusing so i compared same hand with a friend and he has different results







what i dont get is what OOP doesnt have a calling range is just raising everything

and this are the results my friend gets (hes using 1.8.2.3 version and i have 1.9.2.4)

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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

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I linked to the video explaining that here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLGpcZavxeQ (point 1)

Just in case here is an example configuration where OOP player always bets the flop and if called always bets the turn as well:

http://pastebin.com/re7iSBTP

To load it in your Pio please copy the text and then go to Tools->Paste tree building config from clipboard

Notice this part, which is responsible for checking option being removed:
https://gyazo.com/0094b8d97c75785d4567ad10a9ffb941



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I followed the video, however I was trying to apply it to the lhe tab and not for no limit...i am unsure how to lock nodes there, thanks.
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Old Today, 06:44 PM   #2233
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

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Sorry if this question got answered already, but does the full version come with more aprox preflop ranges or am I able to get them anywhere else? Like SBvsCO openraise etc
We don't ship any optimal ranges at the moment (just some ballpark ones for demonstrations).

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Hi, I'm new to piosolver. Just a simple question I hope. I have Basic. When I put in the figures for postflop tree building & calculations, I entered Effective Stacks as 480. Then once I've built the tree & hit Go, Calculate & then gone to Browser, it says Starting Stacks are 120.
I'm hoping there's something simple I'm doing wrong?
Sounds like you are doing something wrong but it's very hard to say what without seeing the config (which you can get by clicking "copy to clipboard" button) or at least a screenshot from the config.

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i have this problem, simulated the hand and the results were confusing so i compared same hand with a friend and he has different results
Pio produces the same results for the same tree. The most common reason we get reports like yours ("friend run the same tree and got different result than me") is that the tree is actually not the same. What you can do is to use "copy to clipboard" button in treebuilding and calculation tab and send the config to your friend. They can then copy it and go to Tools->paste treebuilding config to get exactly the same tree.

From looking at the screenshots you omitted river betting which is not a good idea as the results won't be realistic (we would play differently if we knew the opponent is unable to bet on the river). In general:

-avoid many betsizes (at least when starting, add them gradually as you are getting more familiar with the software)
-fill in at least the most important betting options (maybe not donkbets but surely at least one size for bets for both IP and OOP)

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what i dont get is what OOP doesnt have a calling range is just raising everything

and this are the results my friend gets (hes using 1.8.2.3 version and i have 1.9.2.4)
Again, this is most likely not the same tree. The only way to ensure the tree is the same is to copy the config. If you want us to re-run it and take a look we need the config as well.

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I followed the video, however I was trying to apply it to the lhe tab and not for no limit...i am unsure how to lock nodes there, thanks.
In that case you need to:
-first construct the limit tree in the main tab, as shown here:

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It's possible to do limit in the main tab as well by using "c" postfix for bets, like here:
http://pastebin.com/Gz7bd9MS

(to see the configuration in your viewer copy the text and then to go Tools->Paste treebuilding configuration)
Then remove the lines you don't want by using remove line interface (or just removing some sizings altoghether for example turn donkbet if you don't want that).

This is a rare usecase, maybe pm me what kind of tree you want to build in some detail and I will send you a working config so you can start from there.
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