For the loss section there doesent seem to be a real strong pattern although you can see somewhere between -$100 and -$150 your winrate starts to decrease yet when you get to -$200 and -$250 your winrate increases significantly, its hard to expand on that without knowing what level you play and also are the $250 ones a big sample, id imagine they might be a small sample since there is so a big jump in them, generally you should look at it in jumps of 1/2 a buyin so if you were playing 100nl then checking every $50 would be fine or for 50nl do a check for every $25 eg 25,50,75,100,125,150

Unless youve really big samples theres not much use going past 3-4 buyins.

To make a judgement on your loss section i would consider doing a stop loss somewhere around 100-150 as im presuming your playing 50nl since your no wins above or below $300. Thats 2-3 buyins for you (again im assuming apologies if im incorrect. It seems in and around that loss your win rate is dropping quite a bit.

For the positive side of things you are very similar to me and this is the area that shocked me, once you get past 1 buyin your playing a negative EV game, in my personal opinion i think i let ego get in my way, thinking im playing well i can afford to take more chances and play looser and out play him on the flop etc and 3/4bet in spots i wouldn't at the start of a session

Now my sample ran from positive and decreased down to a negative amount, yours started negative and increased but it still points to the same thing, were both playing -EV when were running well just more likely my sample was a bigger winning one.

Now im far from an expert in deciphering these as its new, why i thought of this calculator was this is something that PT/HM doesn't explore and since the reason for me coming out with this product and the theory behind it was that i felt when were losing were more susceptible to tilt but i didn't realise it was probably more so when were winning. Ideally we should have a reasonably level bb/100 across all loss/win amounts with a decent sample but i suspect that when enough people look at it that well see your winrate decreases as you lose or win past a certain level. If you can play your A game through a downswing or heater then you should have a reasonable bb/100 level compared to your overall bb/100. The calculator just helps try and find whats the best stop/loss level.

Now the smaller the sample the more we have to consider variance may play a part and when we get enough of these together we can probably improve how we interpret these things and get a better idea of what sample sizes are needed to get a reasonably accurate sample. What i imagine will happen though is that now you are aware that 2-3 buyins is your tiltzone and 1+ buyins heater your also prone to dropping your A game so youll make a consious effort to try and play. It also seems from both of our samples that we tend to play our best when were + or - 1 buyin, at that point your probably concentrating your hardest to either avoid making it a bad session or turn it into a winning session plus alot of the hands in this range will be earlier in a session so if you can capture that same level of concentration i really think people can make a big difference in their winrates.

hehe you are good
i am a breakeven 50nl player
total sample size is 150 000 hands.
can't wait for the auto shutdown feature. i'll definely get this.
i did like to make some suggestions.
that your software also show me that
say i stop playing at X BI down. how this will impact my total winrate.
let say i'm a 1 bb winrate player.
and software show me if i stop playing at X BI down or up, i could have increase or decrease my winrate by how many bb/100.
thurs i can look at my optimal stoploss point using my current database.
p.s: i highly suspect if i have disclipine to stop play at 2bi or 3bi down, i could have massively increase my winrate. if i manage to avoid donking 1bi every 10 000 hands, my winrate increase by 1bb/100, and trust me, there is alot more then 1 bi donking per ten thousand hands.

For you what i would do is since we know your winrate decreases somewhere between 2-3 buyings then run a report for all of your hands where

1) -$110
2) -$120
3) -$130
4) -$140
5) -$150

Now that report should be for the full 150k hands, then that should narrow down where the winrate drops, this will directly tell you what you would have saved had you set a stop/loss at that point when you run the full report. So whatever it says you lost after the stop/loss is the amount you would have saved, if it says you lost $1k then simply follow this equation to see what your actual bb/100 would be

current balance + amount lost = theoretical balance
Theoretical balance / no of hands played x 100 = theo bb/100

Now thats assuming your a break even player, if you were making 3bb/100 then by stopping and playing another time when your more likely to play your a game, you not only would save the -2.9bb/100 you would also make 3bb/100 so it would be alot more.

Anyway should have this in beta in 2-3 days

When I try to install it, I get the following message from WinXP: "windows cannot access the specified device, path, or file. You may not have the appropriate permissions to access this item"

Can you tell me exactly when this happens, when you click on the exe? Does it start the install at all or do you get the message during install or is it after the install but when you try and run the program, ive tested this on XP and it works fine however ive looked into that error and its quite common but looks like a windows issue. If you give me more info i can probably narrow down a solution

Id recommend trying some of these solutions
http://forums.techarena.in/operating-systems/909948.htm
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=308421

Let me know if they help, also if its a case that the error happens during istallation just let me know and ill send you a zip file which allows you to bypass installation and just run it directly for the exe

It happens before the install, after I click on the exe and allow it to run. I normally have no problem installing software.
I'll look into those links, thanks!

I relaunched my firewall and the installation ended up working out... Thanks for the help.

Is the four minute warning before lockdown adjustable? It seems like that wouldn't be long enough to play out the orbit on a full table, if you had just posted blinds.

Ok good to hear

Yeah i could increase this, i was thinking from a 6max point of view but i can see where a full ring player might need longer. Ill increase it to 8 mins for now and ill add it to the to do list to allow the user to choose the mins from the settings.

Very interested in this program as I've missed stop/loss functionality for HM for a long time.

The lock out feature will be optional I hope? So you can set the limits and just get a warning when they're reached instead of getting closed down?

It shouldnt be too hard to just display a warning/notification and not lock you out, but i know dave had an ahk script that done something similar, not sure if its still working or not though so try searching for that thread. The reason i didnt add the option yet is i didnt think people would find it too useful for 2 reasons

1) I usually have HM running and have a habit of checking my stats every few mins to see what im up down
2) I find the problem is not that i dont know when to stop, but i need that extra help by someone or something forcing me to stop so a notification wouldnt be enough for me

But thats my personal preference, if you think that it would be useful ill certainly add that option to the todo list, most of these requests will be pretty simple so once we get the core functionality working properly well get to work on these suggestions

I used that for a while - it took an eternity to get to work and when it finally did, it suddenly one day stopped working. _dave_ isn't following the thread for it anymore and while there are others who are doing a great job of helping in it, it really is a very cumbersome solution. I've given up on it as it caused more frustration than it was worth.

1) is exactly my main reason for wanting something like this. I need to get away from checking my balance every 5 minutes, but also need a 'safety net' that will let me know if I'm losing too much.

Looking at my balance constantly interrupts my focus and also makes me play looser when I'm down and tighter when I'm up.

Hope you can add just a warning because a mandatory lock down is something I'll never want/use.

Yeah ill definitely get it added, i know a lot of players have commented before that you shouldn't keep an eye on your win rate while playing, mostly for the reasons you mentioned and also that you should always aim to make the best EV decision regardless of what your up or down so your winnings are irrelevant as long as you make the correct decision every time. I could never do it but i can see where it would be quite useful and it seems like very good advice. Its one habit i know id have trouble getting used to not doing but might be worth the effort

Yes, I feel exactly the same. I'm addicted to checking my balance, and it's going to be a real hard habit to kick either way.

I did have some luck while _dave_s script was still working for me though so with a bit of effort I think it's doable

A related feature (that I don't know if is possible) would be for Tilt Demon to block HM from being viewed so that you could set it to deny you checking your balance for a set amount of time. It would still have to run of course, so I don't know if this would be possible, but it would be beneficial to those of us addicted to checking the balance

Yeah thats quite a good idea, it would require a bit of thought as your $won bb/100 is shown in alot of different tabs so youd need to block it in all those locations.

It would probably need a quite a complicated solution, it could be done alot easier from Holdem Managers end but i know there quite busy so it might not be high on their to do list at the moment. On their end it would just be a matter of editing the code the application runs to not show $ or just show $0 for x amount of time but someone else cant edit the code thats run within the application.

The first type of solution that comes to mind is for tiltdemon to manually insert a hand into your database with a bogus amount every 30-40 hands, a randon amount between 20-80bb and when the session is over it would remove the amount. So HM would continue to track properly and function properly but looking at the $won stat would be useless since we insert bogus amounts every 30-40 hands. The bogus hand history would be temporarily put under a bogus villain so it wouldnt effect your stats on a real player, something like xixixixixixxixi1923737 would be the player name.

Then when the session is over you can just click a button and purge the bogus hands and see the correct amount. It could be a manual thing or possibly put on a timer lockout if your likely to cheat and purge the hands to sneak a peak every now and then.

Thats just the 1st thought i had, maybe theres a better solution or maybe theres problems with that