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first and awesome piece of software having just been on the worst downswing of my life.

Ive fixed up the links as there was a problem with them, sorry about that

Apparently i cant edit the post now so ill put the links here:

www.tiltdemon.com
www.tiltdemon.com/savings.html
www.tiltdemon.com/forum
www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=416

Also just to point out the current software just tells you how much your losing/winning if you had a stop/loss system in place, we'll be releasing the main software which will work in the background and which prevents you from continuing to play on the poker sites you wish to be excluded for when you hit your stop/loss, it then locks you out for a time you specified usually 1-2 hours.

Maybe would be a good idea to introduce an easily acessible "TILT" button, which closes all the tables and shuts down immediately the poker client when you hit it.

Sometimes im on tilt and i know it, but i just keep saying "well i will play another hand and then close all the tables", but then im too much absorbed by the game (and the tilt) and keep playing again and again and tilt more and more.

Another cool feature would be that when you hit the TILT button and the client is closed, you would be denied to re-open it for like half a hour...

just some suggestions, keep up the good work and thank ya.

Yeah i know that feeling and its a great idea and certainly something that can be added, just in case you didnt know you can specify the lockout time, so you'd go to settings and choose what your limit is lets say -2.5 buyins, then you set how long you think it takes for your tilt to subside lets say 90 mins, now when you hit a loss of 2.5 buyins (or click on the Tilt Button) then youll be locked out for 90 mins or whatever amount of time you specified in advance.

Also note that changing your database, uninstalling and reinstalling the poker client or trying to uninstall or kill the tiltdemon processes wont bypass the lockout, also changing the time etc also wont bypass it, we want it so it takes alot of effort to bypass it without hindering the users experience of their PC. The thing is when your forced to stop youll be pissed for a couple of mins and will probably make a few futile attempts to bypass it and then give up, after a while youll just get more and more used to it and you should also be able to narrow down where your tilt starts by analyzing things in the calculator and possibly increase your tolerance since you can recognise it before it starts as youll know once you tilt you cant continue to play.

When completed youll have the option to get locked out based on $won, $lost, time played, hands played, Tiltbutton and well also have the option to select 2 or 3 options for eg

1) Lockout if $won > 300
2) Lockout if $lost > 250
3) Lockout if time elapsed > 2.2 hours

And it will lock you out whenever it exceeds either of those 3 first

Weve also plans for a really advanced version if the demand is there for it:

Set stop loss based on pre-tilt points. The plan would be to add lots of filters like

3bet
Called a 3bet
4bet
Called 5bet Push
Double Barelled
Raise flop and call push
Call flop push
Called river check raise
Called river raise etc etc etc

Basically every stat HM/PT has available. Now well also allow you to set ranges and hand strengths. Examples

Ranges
ATo+, 55+,KJs+
JJ+,AQo+

Then hand strenghts
Top Pair weak Kicker
Top Pair Top Kicker
Trips
Full House
Flush draw
Combo Flush Draw and TPTK etc etc etc

Then you setup a filter like this:
Where faced 4bet = true && all in preflop=true && range NOT EQUAL TO AQs+ TT+ $$ villain's 4bet % IS LESS THAN 7% and villains sample size is GREATER THAN 500

or another example on the flop:

Where facing flop raise = true && hand strength flop = LESS THAN TPTK and Draws LESS THAN Flush and Villain Agression Factor is less than 1.9 and villain raise flop LESS THAN 9% and Villain Sample Size GREATER THAN 1,200 && Call Raise = true

Then if these conditions are met while playing, Tiltbuster will apply Pre-Tilt Points, you then set whatever amount of filters you want and also set a stop/loss limit for pre-tilt points so you might set it to 3 and when you make 3 pre-tilt points your likely to be playing sub-optimally and so you get locked out before you make another mistake and continue tilting thus preventing tilt. Its up to you how many tilt points and what filters you define, generally youll try and indentify situations while reviewing hand histories to see where your making mistakes tilting and then add those scenarios to the filter to avoid you continuing to make those mistakes. Well also provide a bunch of templates to choose from aswell to save you starting from scratch.

Ill make a video of the actual software in action in a couple of days, were still working on some bugs at the moment so it will likely be a few days, then well take beta testers although its a pretty simplistic program so shouldn't be too many problems

Sorry didnt noticed that the lockout option was already avaible.
Thank ya for considering the tilt button idea, a manual tool like that would be very good for players like me, because i find that some days i can lose even 4-5 buy ins and still be playing my A game, other days i lose just a couple of buy ins and the tilt come (try to think when you are in the middle of a big downswing and you tend to start the sessions already predisposed to tilt, in those days even a couple of standard beats will drive the blood to your head! ).

Also, im not an hard tilter, im fully conscious of my state when im tilting, but like i said is hard to stop when you have 12 tables opened and the hands come in a continuous flow.

So i would prefer having the option to not use (just) the automatic block, but instead a manual tool which can allow me to translate in reality with a simple mouse click what is looping in my head: "stop ****ing playing, NOW!"

Anyway the idea of this program is really interesting, im waiting for the video...

looks good but I can't connect to my HEM database for some reason...
right name, right password but still doesn't work any ideas?

What error are you getting, did you install psqlODBC as per the instructions on the website: vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

Its very quick and easy to install that

Step 1)
First verify if you have psqlODBC installed on your computer as this is needed to run the program.

Windows XP: Go to control panel > Add & Remove Programs and look a program called psqlODBC, if it is installed skip to step 3 otherwise follow the instructions in step 2.

Windows Vista: Go to control panel > Programs & Features and look a program called psqlODBC, if it is installed skip to step 3 otherwise follow the instructions in step 2.

Step 2)
Go to http://www.postgresql.org/ftp/odbc/versions/msi/ and click on the latest version, at time of writing it is psqlodbc_08_04_0100 but any of the latest version will do fine. Then choose a mirror to download it from, extract the files and run the installation. Its a small download and very easy to install, just choose the default options and choose next until it finishes.

If your still having issues let me know the exact error your getting or contact me on info@tiltdemon.com

Hi morny

yes psqlODBC is installed.

The message I get is "[microsoft][ODBC driver manager] data source name not found and no default driver specified"
I still run XP pro

When you checked was psqlODBC installed, if so can you go to Control Panel > Add Remove Programs and go to psqlODBC and click on the "click here for support information" link and it should tell you the version no: eg 08.04.100

Can you tell me which version you have so i can verify that this version isnt compatible and then remove that version by clicking on remove/uninstall and go here:

http://www.postgresql.org/ftp/odbc/versions/msi/

And download the latest version 08.04.100 then reboot and retry and let me know if it worked. Ive tested this on XP with 08.04.100 so if you confirm older versions dont work i can update to tell people to install the newest version. This is usually installed with .net framework 2.0 so you may have an older version

ty Morny and sorry,

I had the wrong ODBC version

I also just realized your soft is for cash game only I play HUSNG.

Shame that every software tend to be for cash game. U would think that an anti-Tilt software would cover HUSNG (one of the most tiliting form of poker)

Thanks again for the fast answer.

Hi,

Yeah i dont play sngs/tournies myself but i presumed that it wouldnt be of much use to add sng/tourney support for 1 main reason.

The software locks you out, when playing cash games it gives you 4 mins to play out before the blinds hit you but with a sng you might be playing 9 tables and half of them might not finish for 30+ mins so it would be extremely bad if the software locked you out if this was the case. Once i came across this problem i felt tournament/sng support wasnt workable and didnt give it any thought.

Id be pretty confident if there was a calculator that measured your ROI% it would show similar results to what my cash one showed, when your on a losing streak your ROI% will decrease because this is the time your more succeptible to tilt, also if your the type of player when on a heater thats gets too aggro and goes on auto pilot due to over confidence youll probably also see your ROI% decreases AFTER youve gone through a heater, the old Well im well up today so i can afford to gamble mentality kicks in.

If you could think of a workable solution where my software could successfully stop you from playing and if there is support for it id certainly consider adding it. I guess the first step if there was support would be to release a calculator that checks your ROI when your playing for longer than x hours, or ROI after playing more than x tournies in a session or your ROI when youve lost x tournies or won x tournies and if alot of people found their ROI was dropping similar to the cash situation then i guess some sort of stop system would obviously save you money in which case i might be able to come up with something.

My initial thoughts would be to come up with a way to stop you entering any more tournaments for x mins after the last one was played but id imagine this is quite difficult but maybe not impossible. Like i said if there is some support for it id look into it. Maybe start a thread on the suggestions area of the forum www.tiltdemon.com/forum and if there is support ill look seriously at a solution.

edit// Another possible solution might be to display a message saying "limit lost exceeded" or "limit max time played exceeded" please dont start any new tournaments and if you do we can detect this and shut the client down. Now for sngs players that would be fine, im not sure if it would work for tourney players if they have pre bought into a future tournament thats starting in 30 mins for example. So if you did try to play another tourney it would close the client down and you cant play so it would be pretty stupid to do this, although many people may not like this solution?

OMG the animation is awesome

EDIT: I'm playing husng too and I think your program could help us... HUSNG are hu cash games played with short stacks and with increses blind every x minutes.... that's all

download it, trying it now
add that stop loss function, i'll buy this for sure

stop loss (-$300) i was n/a bb/100
stop loss (-$250) i was +20.66bb/100
stop loss (-$200) i was +2.11bb/100
stop loss (-$150) i was -2.9bb/100
stop loss (-$100) i was +0.33bb/100
stop loss (-$50) i was +0.53bb/100

stop loss (+$300) i was n/a bb/100
stop loss (+$250) i was -12.06bb/100
stop loss (+$200) i was -3.75bb/100
stop loss (+$150) i was -4.63bb/100
stop loss (+$100) i was -4.52bb/100
stop loss (+$50) i was -0.66bb/100
hi, can you tell me what those number mean?
sample size 150 000 sample size

For the loss section there doesent seem to be a real strong pattern although you can see somewhere between -$100 and -$150 your winrate starts to decrease yet when you get to -$200 and -$250 your winrate increases significantly, its hard to expand on that without knowing what level you play and also are the $250 ones a big sample, id imagine they might be a small sample since there is so a big jump in them, generally you should look at it in jumps of 1/2 a buyin so if you were playing 100nl then checking every $50 would be fine or for 50nl do a check for every $25 eg 25,50,75,100,125,150

Unless youve really big samples theres not much use going past 3-4 buyins.

To make a judgement on your loss section i would consider doing a stop loss somewhere around 100-150 as im presuming your playing 50nl since your no wins above or below $300. Thats 2-3 buyins for you (again im assuming apologies if im incorrect. It seems in and around that loss your win rate is dropping quite a bit.

For the positive side of things you are very similar to me and this is the area that shocked me, once you get past 1 buyin your playing a negative EV game, in my personal opinion i think i let ego get in my way, thinking im playing well i can afford to take more chances and play looser and out play him on the flop etc and 3/4bet in spots i wouldn't at the start of a session

Now my sample ran from positive and decreased down to a negative amount, yours started negative and increased but it still points to the same thing, were both playing -EV when were running well just more likely my sample was a bigger winning one.

Now im far from an expert in deciphering these as its new, why i thought of this calculator was this is something that PT/HM doesn't explore and since the reason for me coming out with this product and the theory behind it was that i felt when were losing were more susceptible to tilt but i didn't realise it was probably more so when were winning. Ideally we should have a reasonably level bb/100 across all loss/win amounts with a decent sample but i suspect that when enough people look at it that well see your winrate decreases as you lose or win past a certain level. If you can play your A game through a downswing or heater then you should have a reasonable bb/100 level compared to your overall bb/100. The calculator just helps try and find whats the best stop/loss level.

Now the smaller the sample the more we have to consider variance may play a part and when we get enough of these together we can probably improve how we interpret these things and get a better idea of what sample sizes are needed to get a reasonably accurate sample. What i imagine will happen though is that now you are aware that 2-3 buyins is your tiltzone and 1+ buyins heater your also prone to dropping your A game so youll make a consious effort to try and play. It also seems from both of our samples that we tend to play our best when were + or - 1 buyin, at that point your probably concentrating your hardest to either avoid making it a bad session or turn it into a winning session plus alot of the hands in this range will be earlier in a session so if you can capture that same level of concentration i really think people can make a big difference in their winrates.

hehe you are good
i am a breakeven 50nl player
total sample size is 150 000 hands.
can't wait for the auto shutdown feature. i'll definely get this.
i did like to make some suggestions.
that your software also show me that
say i stop playing at X BI down. how this will impact my total winrate.
let say i'm a 1 bb winrate player.
and software show me if i stop playing at X BI down or up, i could have increase or decrease my winrate by how many bb/100.
thurs i can look at my optimal stoploss point using my current database.
p.s: i highly suspect if i have disclipine to stop play at 2bi or 3bi down, i could have massively increase my winrate. if i manage to avoid donking 1bi every 10 000 hands, my winrate increase by 1bb/100, and trust me, there is alot more then 1 bi donking per ten thousand hands.

For you what i would do is since we know your winrate decreases somewhere between 2-3 buyings then run a report for all of your hands where

1) -$110
2) -$120
3) -$130
4) -$140
5) -$150

Now that report should be for the full 150k hands, then that should narrow down where the winrate drops, this will directly tell you what you would have saved had you set a stop/loss at that point when you run the full report. So whatever it says you lost after the stop/loss is the amount you would have saved, if it says you lost $1k then simply follow this equation to see what your actual bb/100 would be

current balance + amount lost = theoretical balance
Theoretical balance / no of hands played x 100 = theo bb/100

Now thats assuming your a break even player, if you were making 3bb/100 then by stopping and playing another time when your more likely to play your a game, you not only would save the -2.9bb/100 you would also make 3bb/100 so it would be alot more.

Anyway should have this in beta in 2-3 days

When I try to install it, I get the following message from WinXP: "windows cannot access the specified device, path, or file. You may not have the appropriate permissions to access this item"

Can you tell me exactly when this happens, when you click on the exe? Does it start the install at all or do you get the message during install or is it after the install but when you try and run the program, ive tested this on XP and it works fine however ive looked into that error and its quite common but looks like a windows issue. If you give me more info i can probably narrow down a solution

Id recommend trying some of these solutions
http://forums.techarena.in/operating-systems/909948.htm
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=308421

Let me know if they help, also if its a case that the error happens during istallation just let me know and ill send you a zip file which allows you to bypass installation and just run it directly for the exe

It happens before the install, after I click on the exe and allow it to run. I normally have no problem installing software.
I'll look into those links, thanks!

I relaunched my firewall and the installation ended up working out... Thanks for the help.

Is the four minute warning before lockdown adjustable? It seems like that wouldn't be long enough to play out the orbit on a full table, if you had just posted blinds.

Ok good to hear

Yeah i could increase this, i was thinking from a 6max point of view but i can see where a full ring player might need longer. Ill increase it to 8 mins for now and ill add it to the to do list to allow the user to choose the mins from the settings.

Very interested in this program as I've missed stop/loss functionality for HM for a long time.

The lock out feature will be optional I hope? So you can set the limits and just get a warning when they're reached instead of getting closed down?