As for a date, it's coming soon...can't be more specific. I'm going through testing every component and fixing bugs as I'm finding them. There aren't many left, but each one can take 5 minutes or a few hours.

Fozzy,

There are actually a few bugs in those screenshots - I've fixed several hundred since then.

Just so you know, the HUD will lag the tracker by 1-2 weeks. But PokerObserver (whose alpha is going well) has promised to add support and be available within two days of PokerEV tracker, so a working HUD will be available within the same week.

LOL are you kidding me this drivel. I'm not one to get into a "pissing contest" over the internet and I'm not starting now.

I agree, PT and PAHUD always had good support for their current products. Whenever an update was needed, it was done really fast.

PT and PAHUD, looking back, was probably the biggest bargain for a poker player. If I knew now what I knew then, I would have gladly paid 1k for the product. But the basic fact is that players were constantly writing on the forums and insisting that the software be upgraded. I remember distinctly on a few occasions, that such suggestions were shrugged off with the comment "the database won't support what you want." If you guys were planning to release something, you should have just said it.

It may very well be true that you guys "were negotiating a merger" or whatever you said, but my impression along with a bunch of others, is that there was no competition and you didn't have to improve it. All of a sudden, HEM pops up, and PT3 is announced. I don't know if what you are saying is true and it is honestly irrelevant. But to come here and and ramble like you do shows your business etiquette. Taking such a tone with me is idiotic when I was basically laying out the chain of events that occurred. You need to get an MBA or just some manners.

Your lack of business sense won't prevent me from buying your product if it is the best out there; money is money. But you need to chill out.

I wasn't pointing out any bugs - sorry, if you misunderstood my pic. I was just remarking/LOL'ing about it being FGators that was Hi-Lighted. I wasn't taking any type of jab at your or your software. It was merely a 2+2/BBV LOL moment.

Sorry to BBV you, but I had to.

Also, the whole PT3 program was out within like a month of HM. Ask RVG how long it took to build HM. A long time, I think a year or so. I think PT3 was working for around 5 months on this program before they ever announced it. I bet Phil has worked a while on his too. Maybe I'm wrong and maybe PT3 did code for a month to make a whole program, but I highly doubt it.

You kinda sound like an idiot here. It is factual that people asked for upgrades and it didn't happen. It is also not known whether or not HM made PT3 come along. But how can you blame the developers of PAHud for not making PT3 soon enough? You should be making this complaint to PT2 creator Pat, not to the current PT3 developer. They weren't in cahoots before and you can't say PT2 suddenly decided to improve because of HM, because that would be wrong because the creator of PT2 never decided to improve or add to the product, it was a completely different set of developers.

I mean get at least some facts straight before you start a pissing contest(that you said you weren't going to start)

Yeah, the FGators thing was me being funny. He said we could do whatever we want with his stats/hand histories. I thought you meant the FT thing - he plays at Stars.

For real?

The core of PokerEV (i.e the equivalent of HM before it incorporated RealTime) took about 2.5 months to code. And I had existing code - eval code, replayer code. On top of that I've spent around another a month on the HUD, another month on testing/bug fixes, and around 1.5 months on other algorithms. C++ is a lot slower to code in than C# so it'd be damn near impossible to get a working tracker program out in a month.

It's true that I can't prove to you guys that Pat and I started negotiations before HM came out, because it was best to keep things under wraps while we worked on it. But steel108, you are talking about things you know nothing about.

Let me ask you something. Just stop and think about this for a second. Imagine answering about 200 questions every day in a combination of emails and forum messages. Imagine having to drop everything anytime a poker site makes a change to their software to find the problem and fix it. Now, imagine trying to do that while maintaining a marriage and being a father. Now imagine dealing with major medical problems, not just your own but with your family as well. See how much time you have to devote to adding new features. Pat realized PT2 needed work, that's why PT3 is being developed. Sorry if it wasn't done fast enough for you, but it is what it is. Pat, I apologize if I've revealed too much information, but I feel the need to clear this up.

Also, questioning my business sense is silly. I was responding to a post filled with lies, trying to clear up any misconceptions before they were spread further. Just because I didn't sugar coat it doesn't mean it is bad business. Are you five years old? Should I try to protect your feelings?

PT3 certainly wasn't developed in a month's time. Design began in my head a little over a year ago, and actual coding began mid-summer. So we have about 7 months of coding time in.

I seem to remember reading an estimate of the amount PT Pat has made from selling PT to be somewhere in the region of $500k to $1M, so sad as this sounds it doesn't make for a very good excuse. He could have just paid somebody else to do all the work for him.

Juk

I've pointed out the flaws in that argument in the past too. It's easy to say "go hire someone to do this", but in reality, that's not so easy. First, you have to find someone willing to work for you. In an industry like ours, where nothing is certain and job security can't be guaranteed, it will be rare to find someone qualified who is willing to take the risk. Then, in addition to all the work you are currently doing, you have to train someone to bring them up to speed.

It's not like Pat was sitting there doing nothing. New sites were supported, features were added, and bugs were fixed. Just because some of the features couldn't be supported using the existing framework doesn't mean nothing was getting done.

Coding began "mid-summer" and the HM announcement was June 25. Sucks for you if this is just a huge coincidence. I dont think you can blame people for certain conclusions though.

I dont doubt you had the idea in your head before HM was announced. But I do wonder how much of that design would have been realized at this point had HM not have been around.

Again, I feel for you if this really is all pure coincidence and a Jan 08 beta was your aim.

Who cares about the timing?

Three very good products are being offered to poker players.

If you stop complaining and take advantage of the tools you will surely profit.

Developer grudge matches and drama make the dull periods in between new versions and functionality more entertaining imo. I'm all for it.

Interesting point.
Today like every regular Pokerplayer has PT2.
In a couple of weeks everyone will have a 2nd generation tracker.

Now where does the gained advantage come from? I don't see it.

Lots of people who buy a nextgen tracker/hud will be too dumb/lazy to maximize the advantage it offers. In the same way that ****loads of people are currently not using PT2 to the maximum advantage. It will still come down to who puts the most time into improving their game. The already hard-working players will be able to work more efficiently with a nextgen tracker, and therein lies the advantage.