Also, when using the MTT calcs, (1500 say), how do you ascertain hero's tournament position? It is not contained in the hand history, so I'm confused as to how it calculates the $EV?

And, when I import a hand it assigns variable ranges to villan(s) - before I alter them individually. How are these calculated and can I customise them? By this I mean tweak the starting assumptions for unknown villains.

LET

Sorry to keep asking Q but the PKO video...

Q i am a huge fan of your work and the software but to not have PKO comparability in ChipEV mode seems completely ridiculous to me and it seems many other too.

By your own admission in your latest article (which was a great read btw) you talk about how PKO can alter the results dramatically. Fine, these altered results are going to be much smaller in the early stages but to say they don't matter it like saying you might as well forget about ALL chip-EV spots in PKO, KO or Normal games!

When you first brought out PKO comparability i recall it working in Chip mode so i presume there were issues?

Personally I think full PKO comparability is much more important than any other issue/fix/improvement that could be made esepcially in the climate that online poker is going in with more and more KOs and PKOs even on non-poker stars sites

Again i want to reiterate that i am a huge fan of the software but to be blunt we do pay quite a high price along with it being subscription rather than a one-off fee, so i would hope that, that entitles us to the full use of the tools

Hi. At the moment Chip EV is working as it should, producing results in chips. By its nature chip EV cannot take into account KO or PKO, it's about chips. The sum of chips remains the same at the table.

It's not possible to combine chip EV with PKOs, the results won't be in chips because bounties are in $, not in chips. Right now ICMIZER offers PKO support for final tables, we do not offer PKO support for earlier stages of MTTs.

ICMIZER is the calculator that brought PKO support alongside with FGS to poker players. Our PKO model is performing great for final tables and we are happy with how results of our modeling correlate with simulation results, which proves our model worth.

Currently, we have invented and brought to life a brand new IKCM model with PKO support which can be used in PKOs final tables. That's what ICMIZER has to offer in PKO area at this point. And we didn't change the product price and have included completely new feature—PKO support in ICMIZER without additional cost or price increase.

Hi,

I'm thinking of buying ICMIZER but I'm struggling with it.

For example I've created a 6 man game where top 3 are paid 33.33% of the prize pool each.

https://gyazo.com/99230d406583a08be2c288e03ce764fa

When calculating the nash equilibrium for some situations (for example this 4 handed bubble situation) the results seem very not intuitive.

Have I made a mistake somewhere?

I performed the same calculation on Holdemresources with the same result :
http://www.holdemresources.net/h/web...=&s8=&s9=&s10=

Hi

I cannot access the SNG Coach Leaderboards. Initially the button tried to use Chrome and failed with error message. I have set the default browser to IE (also tried merge) and now the button is unresponsive – no message and no action. How can I fix this please?
I also cannot do any ICMIZER calculations from early position. I get either a time out or a server side error message. Is this just me or does this not work?

Also, could you let me know the answer to these questions from above please.

Does the setting for hand range tables on the options page apply to the ICMIZE function, the SNGCoach or both or does the quiz use Nash hero and villain(s)?
How does the ICMIZE function decide upon MTT position for its formula?
How do I get a straight score from the SNGCoach. Not just a comparable rating vs other users. This may be apparent from the leaderboards, which I cannot access yet, but in any event I would like to know my own absolute score not just a relative benchmark against an unknown pool.

Thanks

LET

Hi. These rankings will soon be removed from ICMIZER since we will have something much better. Right now they only affect the behavior of sliders in ICMIZER when you edit ranges using sliders.

These rankings do not affect anything else, they do not affect SNG Coach at all.

Early in MTT, before 60 players are remaining, you can only use Chip EV calculations which are pretty close to correct results, so everything else is pretty irrelevant.
If you are reviewing 60 players spots in MTT mode (with more than 60 players your only review option is Chip EV) then you need to have payouts and number of remaining players to get relevant results. If you do not know the number of remaining players, then you cannot really review the hand.

Right now after you import a hand you can assume that no ranges were assigned. Generally, the review sequence in ICMIZER is the following
paste hand/plug it manually -> calculate nash ranges -> do manual edits to nash results where necessary-> Calculate hero range to see the results grid

Hi. The results are correct, and indeed on the satellite bubble the results can be the least intuitive—thats why people purchase ICMIZER in the first place. ICM is hard and it can surprise even pretty experienced players here and there.

Here the optimal strategy is to push wide, and for opponents not to call. However if they deviate from optimal tight ranges, our pushing range quickly shrinks, so you need to be thinking, whether or not your opponents will follow nash calling ranges strategy in these spots.

Thanks, Q. That helps a lot.

In an example such as this:

3 handed
Btn shoves 18bb
SB is hero with 10bb
BB has 15bb

Does the calculation make Btn shoving range based on a combination if the two effective stack sizes behind him or only the hero's effective stack?

Also, when using the SNG Coach, how many levels of FGS are used?

LET

Hello,

I have a problem with ICMIZER 2:

I import a spot and click on calculate fgs5 nash equilibrium and get the correct results
https://gyazo.com/15fa60e3af58688b9d57c2b7a270f2cc

But then I wanna visualize the ranges and see how exactly profitable every combo is so I click on Calculate FGS 5 and the ranges chnge and are now different
https://gyazo.com/04b451a226fb2827402618c3b7e5ba81

What is going on?

Thank you

Hi there.

Im most interested in using SNG coach to learn push fold situations based on CHIP BB EV (mtt player). Is that possible? There are no CHIP BB EV option in the list of tournaments to choose from.

Another one, how does FGS box affects the SNG coach?

Thanks

Hi. BTN shoving range is based on other players stacks, yes.
Regarding SNG Coach and FGS, see the post about update 2.8.0 below.

Hi. The buttons do different things, that's why the results are different.
Calculate Nash finds Nash equilibrium approximation, since a precise Nash equilibrium almost never exists.
The Calculate button finds the hero's best response to other players ranges, so it is not approximate but a precise result.
I explain this more in this article:
http://www.icmpoker.com/en/blog/anal...sh-fold-spots/

Hi. Chip BB EV is just Chip EV divided by BB size, so +2200 chip ev becomes + 2.2 BB if blinds are 2000.

With that said SNG Coach has Chip EV MTT quiz, it's in the list.
As for FGS checkbox, see 2.8 update description below:

ICMIZER Update v2.8.0

Now SNG Coach chooses optimal FGS depth setting
depending on the number of players at the table:

• 2 players — FGS 1
• 3 players — FGS 2
• 4 players — FGS 3
• 5 players — FGS 4
• 6 players — FGS 3
• 7 players — FGS 2
• 8 players — FGS 2
• 9 players — FGS 2

Note that question generation can become slower in some cases because additional FGS depths come at performance cost.
Previously SNG Coach was using FGS 1 everywhere, which as we know isn't optimal.

Is there a way to include blockers with reshoving ranges?

For example: MTT 9max with 10% antes, CO open 30% , and we like to know what we can rejam from the SB with 20bbs.

Icimzer says JTo is +chipEV but A7o is -chipEV.

How can we include the blocker edge with reshoving Ax hands?

Hi. I am not sure what do you mean by "include blockers" and "blocker edge".
Can you elaborate? Note that all blockers are taken into account, so A7o is indeed -ev and JTo is +ev.

These PKO's are definitely confusing as balls alright. I don't have a subscription atm to be trialling it to death but in just one instance, when it comes to knowing what to shove as opposed call (which seems to be a harder thing to figure out common sense wise), I took one hand with a non pko payout structure and it said to shove for example 20% from btn vs blinds calling ranges. I then added in a bounty structure and the bounties (same payouts tho) and being a stack that covers no one so when I get called I don't make any ko's at all, it just rocketed up to shove any two LOL!!! That can't be right

Hi. Our trial gives rather limited functionality, and ICMIZER takes at least a few hours to get efficient with, so there is a good chance you set something up wrong or differently, which explains the observed results.

Please refer to our article about correct PKO set up:
http://www.icmpoker.com/en/blog/prog...HandsInICMIZER

Note that you absolutely need to create a new PKO tournament with correct payouts, unless you are reviewing 90 man MTTSNG PSKO tournaments which are available in ICMIZER as default tournaments.

With that said, if you have more data, that is screenshots demonstrating the discrepancy which you mention, I would be interested to see them.

Hey icmizer,

I mainly play 6 max hyper turbo mtt on pokerstars. but sadly, there is no sng coach for it in icmizer. There is only a chip ev mtt for the normal speed. As the antes in hyper turbo mtt is significantly bigger, sometimes it is hard to adjust which hand to push with and which hand to fold.

Will we have sng coach for the 6 max hyper turbo mtt soon?

Thanks a lot!

Hi
I've finally recorded the video.
Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w_iguZl2IY

Hi

I am still very confused by the hand ranges in SNG Coach. I am very good at calling the Hero/Villains' push/call %. Usually within a couple of %. What I am finding is that hands change in value between scenarios. Is this correct? And if so can I get an explanation of the methodology behind it.

For example; JTo, say us inside a 34% range in one scenario but later on falls outside of the same % range. I have noticed this a lot when I have started to observe the chart to see what is going on.

LET

BUMP

Can I get an explanation to the above please.

LET

Hi. JTo will have different equity against different ranges in different situations.
If you are facing a single all-in from the SB and you're the BB, then there is just SB range it is a one type of situation where JTo will have a certain power.

However if you are facing a push on another position and there are diffent stacks behind you with different calling ranges, all that can change the EV of JTo hand. This can mean that in some cases it will be part of some top % hand ranking, and in the other case it will be behind some hands and will be located in the other top % of hands.

Generally, there is nothing surprising here at all.
Hand value in poker isn't a constant, it depends on various paratemers.
Opponent ranges hand compositions define the hand value, not just the cards in the hand.

It should be easy to see that if we are pushing or calling our hand value can also be very different. For example T9s can be a reasonably tight % push hand, but it almost always is a rather loose % calling hand.

Huge ICMIZER Update v2.9.0

• Introducing Nash equilibrium calculations for situations with raises and re-raises (3-bets/4-bets) [Beta]