Thanks for getting the apps and for the encouraging words! I completely see why you'd want to start with PokerCruncher rather than ICM Cruncher; it's actually the lower-level app even though it's way more complicated in terms of features.

PokerCruncher deals with just equity calculation whereas ICM Cruncher deals with call/fold/push decisions where there can be a lot of gray area, as you say if garbage in then garbage out. So if you can't put your opponent on the right range of hands or if you don't estimate how often he'll call your push well enough, then forget it, even if you nail the your-KJo vs his-top-10%-of-hands equity estimate, you'll still wind up with a bad decision result because your high level assumptions weren't good. So I agree, decisions based on ICM are way harder than just knowing hand vs hand vs range odds.

Suggestion on videos noted, thanks for writing.

This will be massive +ev if u port those apps to Android phones!

fwiw, i would pay $15 for a good Omaha stove but i totally get what you're saying with inputting ranges. maybe for the ipad?

Maybe!, but still a tough app. Next up is an iPad version of PokerCruncher - a UI redesign that puts the big screen to good use. Easily doable with no complications, ETA 1..2 months.

unhh..i want to use that on my mac..is that possible?

Not right now and I don't have plans for this. Lot of other things to do like an Android version of PokerCruncher (which does have a Mac version).

i bought poker cruncher but i see no use in it since i cant calculate icm together
am I doing something wrong?

No. PokerCruncher is an equity calculator; it doesn't analyze push/call/fold decisions or deal with ICM. ICM Cruncher is a separate app that's an ICM calculator and is also an ICM push/call/fold decision analyzer. ICM Cruncher takes equity estimates as input; you can use PokerCruncher to calculate these equities and input them in ICM Cruncher.

So for tournament players, imo PokerCruncher and ICM Cruncher are an effective pair of apps.

A feature request would be to add Kill Everyone's (all-in) Bubble Factor as a calculated output. Would make this a much more valuable app.

Love it as it currently stands, but could see extra value.

Re. bubble factor - good suggestion, I plan on adding it, but may be a while due to some other work starting. Actually I think this should be easy to add because the app already has the building blocks to calculate BF because the push/call/fold decision analyzers already calculate your ICM equities for cases like you fold to villain's all-in, you call and win, you call and lose, etc.

Are you the "The Meal" that recently wrote an App Store review for PokerCruncher-iPad? Many thanks for the review, helps the app a lot. Re. your feature request in the review - a button to invert a range, e.g. to enter bottom 85% - I'll put it on the list. But here's a poor man's way of doing it now - first add 100% of hands, then select top 15% using the slider, then tap "Remove". But yeah an invert button or menu command would be much slicker.

Then to continue your example, where a player has folded a bottom 85% hand, select (tap) the player and do Menu --> FoldSelectedPlayer. Thanks for getting the apps and for good feedback.

Hello rj999,

nice work on the app , it's quite easy to use and effective as hell

Quick question, maybe I missed something , but any plan to include randomly generated quizzes like SNG Wizard for practice ?

Thanks for good words on the app. Re. ICM quizzes that's certainly a good idea, would make the app a complete ICM tool. It was just a matter of what to work on first, I wanted to focus on the calc part and the two push/call/fold decision analyzers. ICM quizzes are on my long term to-do, but can't guarantee it any time soon, because right now I'm focusing on PokerCruncher-Android (development is well underway) and also prob. another OS-rewrite of PokerCruncher.

No idea if this is the best ICM app for iPhone but I bought it because PokerCruncher for iOS and Mac OS X is the nuts.

Can ICM Cruncher calculate a chop as was done yesterday at the WPT 5 Diamond High Roller event?

Discussion of deal:
- https://twitter.com/#!/SavagePoker/s...28184229429250
- https://twitter.com/#!/SavagePoker/s...30213995745280
- https://twitter.com/#!/SavagePoker/s...32057677565952
- https://twitter.com/#!/SavagePoker/s...33732886786048
- https://twitter.com/#!/SavagePoker/s...38444793069568
- https://twitter.com/#!/SavagePoker/s...84641318699008

Payouts: https://twitter.com/#!/SavagePoker/s...34733228281858

The deal: https://twitter.com/#!/JasonMercier/...41646737321984 (something seems amiss here because the chop leaves $123,920 aside for 1st and 2nd rather than $150,000 as Jason said)

So you're down to 3 players, you agree to set something aside for 1st and 2nd, then chop the rest. Can ICM Cruncher do all this, and if not, can you add such a feature for a future release?

Personally I think there's a lot of room for improvement with ICM Cruncher. I guess I'm comparing it to complex spreadsheets that offer a stack of info and are very flexible. And how about making ICM Cruncher universal for iPad?

>>> Can ICM Cruncher do all this, and if not, can you add such a feature for a future release?

I think the app can handle this now, I don't think a new feature needs to be added.

First as you say, the payout totals don't match across their Twitter posts and in their deal. In the tourney clock pic, the top 3 payouts add up to 1.930M. In their deal the payouts add up to 1.805M and adding on the 105K and 45K gives 1.955M so there's an extra 25K in their deal. So to me it looks like the tourney clock pic isn't up-to-date and 25K extra was added to the prize pool's top 3 places after that pic was taken.

So we don't know the exact payouts but I punched it into the app anyway and got a result pretty close to what their deal was.

The 1st pic below is the normal fair ICM deal.

The 2nd pic is what they did, if I understood what they did that is. I started with Pic1 and subtracted off 105K from 1st place payout and 45K from 2nd place payout and re-ran the ICM. The result is pretty close:

Their deal: "Doc got 619k I got 604k and Ike got 582k"

In the app: 612k, 597k, 576k

In the app each payout is about 6 or 7k less, but I think this discrepancy is explained by the inaccurate final payout numbers we're working with.


>>> I guess I'm comparing it to complex spreadsheets that offer a stack of info and are very flexible. And how about making ICM Cruncher universal for iPad?

This app is a pretty basic ICM app and is priced that way at 2 or 3 bucks. It's certainly not as advanced an app as PokerCruncher. Sure we can make it as complex as we want but then it wouldn't stay at 2 or 3 bucks. I've gotten suggestions to make it as powerful as 'wiz and add randomly generated ICM quizzes, etc. Haven't done it, just a matter of deciding the scope of the app.

Re. universal, this is much more of a possibility next year. Right now though I'm pretty busy on the Android version of PokerCruncher, which is in the latter stages and I can confidently say that it will ship 'soon' : ).

Thanks for writing with suggestions.


Normal fair ICM deal:
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Their ICM Deal: (leave out 105K for 1st and 45K for 2nd):
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Finally, there's an Android version of PokerCruncher now, on Android Market: link.

Have started a new thread for the Android version.