This is the support thread for ICM Cruncher, which is an ICM Calculator for iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad.

Forgot to mention - I have this app on a $1.99 introductory price right now. The App Store economy has played havoc with app prices (forced prices to go lower), so I'm really not sure what price I'll settle on or if it will stay $1.99.

Looks very nice, I'll be buying this as soon as FT ship me my ipod.

Thanks, great.

Already got some email feedback and I've submitted a small V.1.1 update:

The CallAnAllInOrFold analyzer - currently asks you to exclude the all-in raise amount for the Villain (so in the 2nd pic above ChipsPutIntoPot is 400 and 400 for P4 and P5) but it's more intuitive to enter the full stack amount for the Villain because he's all-in so in V.1.1 you'll enter 6000 and 400.

This is just a change in the input convention - the ICM calc and analysis is correct in V.1.0 and won't change.

Now all I need is for Apple to handle my app updates correctly. Those of you who have PokerCruncher will notice that V.2.92 went live today but when you download it you get V.2.91. The problem is on their end I believe, first time, am in communication with them.

I purchased the ICM app, as well as the hand equity app, and I really enjoy them both. Well done.

I have one recommendation re: the way you market the ICM app in the app store. You write: "Poker Stars has announced that they do not allow ICM calculators to be run during live tournaments."

I appreciate that the statement sounds strong and emphasizes the power of the app, but I recommend you remove that sentence or change the language.

I think a reasonable person could think you're suggesting that a use purpose of the app is to circumvent Star's rules. I'm sure that isn't your intention. I would just be careful and avoid any suggestion that your app can... or should... be used unethically. It shouldn't be, and I think you should be careful in your marketing to really take the high ground.

Further, people who download this app know what ICM is... this is a training tool for thinking about spots when you're not at a computer.

Anyway, this is somewhat nit picking, and I'm sure you weren't intending to suggest that people use the app for wrong. I just think it's always sound business to avoid even the appearance of ethical issues.

Thanks for feedback!, glad you like the apps.

Yes I wasn't trying to suggest that people should use this app illegally anywhere. I was just trying to give an example of how important knowledge of ICM is and the edge that it can give.

Currently this paragraph reads:

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How valuable is knowledge of ICM (Independent Chip Model) to a tournament player? ...

Poker Stars has announced that they do not allow ICM calculators to be run during live tournaments.
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At first right after this I had a sentence "We should of course comply ..." but deleted it to shorten the text and because I thought that not doing anything illegal goes without saying. But I see your point that some readers may interpret it differently. So I've added this sentence at the end:

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We should of course comply and not do anything illegal, but we suggest you consider getting ICM Cruncher to help you master ICM.
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I want to go with this addition rather than with your other suggestion of completely deleting the Poker Stars reference, to show people who don't know ICM yet the edge it can give. Thanks for writing; do let me know if there are any more issues.

Cool man.

FWIW, instead of writing "illegal," I would write "anything that gives you an unfair advantage" or something like that. The word "illegal" might freak out the iPhone app approval guys!

I'd also change the word "but" to "and" in the middle. It's a subtle change, but it makes you sound more genuine. Or maybe just break it into two sentences.

Both done!:

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How valuable is knowledge of ICM (Independent Chip Model) to a tournament player? ... Poker Stars has announced that they do not allow ICM calculators to be run during live tournaments. We should of course comply and not do anything that gives us an unfair advantage. ICM Cruncher can help you master ICM.
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Good cleanups, and I'm open to endless more. I'm a software dev. not a marketing or legal person (and can't afford one) so help appreciated, thanks.

BTW, I"m not a marketing guy either, so I'm just talking. Feel free to totally ignore what I'm suggesting. Just sharing some ideas.

Here's another cut to consider:

How valuable is ICM (Independent Chip Model) to tournament players? For starters, it's so powerful that PokerStars does not even allow ICM calculators during live tournaments. We ask that our users comply with all rules and do not use our program to gain an unfair advantage during live play. We hope ICM Cruncher will help you master ICM and give you the tools to compete more profitably in tournaments of all levels and buy-ins.

This sounds good. The first version that said crush any tournament was too aggressive I thought but I like "compete more profitably" or "increase your EV" etc. I'll submit the new text in a day. Thank you sir!

Do you have a version that could run on Symbian or Android?

Sorry, no, and no plans yet to port to another phone. I.m.o. no other phone/OS matches the iPhone platform's growth and bang for the buck in terms of target device units in one implementation/port of an app. This could change; will reconsider periodically.

ive bought all three of your poker apps, thanks for making them, i think they're a great value.

I would love to see these apps in Omaha form, with it being a newer and less understood game than holdem i think they would do well particularly with the twoplustwo crowd that is eager to improve, and already know holdem well enough.

Thanks for getting the apps and for the good words on them! Omaha has been suggested by many people. I haven't started this because the market for Omaha is of course smaller than for Hold'em (but I realize that Omaha versions may be able to command higher prices).

Also I think general hand ranges for Omaha is a tough problem. The calculator can have builtin ranges like the ProPokerTools site's app has, but in general for Omaha specifying a range for 4 hole cards would be hard. Maybe can use two 13x13 grid ranges for each player, one range for two of the cards and one range for the other two, but this is a simplification.

I think Omaha is a good suggestion; just wanted to explain why I haven't started this (specialized, and harder). Thanks.

O.K. Got Cruncher, and ICM Calculator.

But, I probably could have waited on ICM until I became better at Cruncher, because I need to understand hand ranges very well before I can estimate how often opponents will fold, etc.

I certainly understand how ICM works, and the purpose of it all - but it's like anything else, garbage in = garbage out - I have to learn how to do the estimates.

Meanwhile both apps are fun to learn, especially PkrCruncher Hand Ranges. I've been going over a lot of hand history to key moments and using the software to check my decisions, and at least in 'hind sight' I can check out whether I was right or wrong.

Thanks, I'll keep following the threads. It would be nice if you could produce some ITune vids for your software by the way, just to get people use to how things work more quickly.

Look forward to seeing how you do with your various products, I can already say that they are worth the money.

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