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But, in my opinion, preflop advices are a bit strange. According to the software, raising ATo from UTG is a mistake while limping KTs behind a ( UTG ) limper is a fine play.

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04-09-2013 , 09:23 AM

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p2 dog, p2

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Originally Posted by Mangulja

Hm, interesting piece of software

But, in my opinion, preflop advices are a bit strange. According to the software, raising ATo from UTG is a mistake while limping KTs behind a ( UTG ) limper is a fine play.

doesnt sound like the worst piece of advice ever

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04-09-2013 , 02:04 PM

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pokerash

grinder

Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 614

Hi

I've been using the trial and have a little feedback and some questions.

As mentioned before pokerstars run it twice crashes the program.

Is there anywhere where it explains the advice? Sometimes on the flop it advises to raise some strange hands oop. I'm sure it's correct but I'd like to know why. Also preflop it might advise me to call some raggy hands from the blinds but sometimes tells me to fold.

Finally, is this program still relevant to today's game? Things such as light 3b and 4b? Floating / double floating and barrelling?

Thanks for your time

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04-11-2013 , 01:43 AM

#505

Mangulja

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Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 5

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Originally Posted by Mangulja

Hm, interesting piece of software

But, in my opinion, preflop advices are a bit strange. According to the software, raising ATo from UTG is a mistake while limping KTs behind a ( UTG ) limper is a fine play.

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Originally Posted by p2 dog, p2

doesnt sound like the worst piece of advice ever

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04-11-2013 , 01:53 AM

#506

Mangulja

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Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 5

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Originally Posted by pokerash

...Also preflop it might advise me to call some raggy hands from the blinds but sometimes tells me to fold...

Yes, some preflop advices are quite odd.

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Originally Posted by pokerash

...Is there anywhere where it explains the advice?

I'd love to see explanations too

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04-11-2013 , 02:21 PM

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JayDee88

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Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 26

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Originally Posted by pokerash

Run it twice will be fixed very soon.

It doesn't explain the advice in text format, but you can see what range you should have your opponent on (e.g., x% straight, y% 2 pair, etc.). I think that info. is most helpful for understanding why.

Definitely relevant today. It adjust and understands light 3b, floating and barrelling, etc. But maybe I don't understand your question fully.

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04-11-2013 , 02:25 PM

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JayDee88

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Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 26

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Originally Posted by Mangulja

Hm, interesting piece of software

But, in my opinion, preflop advices are a bit strange. According to the software, raising ATo from UTG is a mistake while limping KTs behind a ( UTG ) limper is a fine play.

A lot of people question the preflop advice; however, it is exceptionally similar to the way 2 of the world's best $200 NL players play.

Raising ATo from UTG depends on stack size and numbers of people at the table. KTs depends on stack size and position, so for our software and these 2 people we modeled it after.

Here's a surprising move. In SB we recommend folding small pocket pair to a steal attempt. These two pros (i.e., world class) could not play them profitably, since the steal raiser's hands were too weak to make money off flopping trips.

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04-11-2013 , 06:09 PM

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FreakDaddy

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Originally Posted by JayDee88

Not surprising, most people have known this for a long time. How are they world class but don't know this? I mean seriously, this has been common knowledge among 2+2ers for several years.

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04-12-2013 , 04:03 AM

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Mangulja

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Originally Posted by JayDee88

...Here's a surprising move. In SB we recommend folding small pocket pair to a steal attempt. These two pros (i.e., world class) could not play them profitably, since the steal raiser's hands were too weak to make money off flopping trips...

You should either 3bet or fold your PP in SB. It's a common play.

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04-12-2013 , 04:04 AM

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Mangulja

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Originally Posted by FreakDaddy

Not surprising, most people have known this for a long time. How are they world class but don't know this?...

Yea.

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04-12-2013 , 11:13 AM

#512

p2 dog, p2

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i am not a user of this software but have skimmed the thread a bit, maybe in the future.

do you guys think it is worth the money? has it plugged some of your leaks and made you better players?

also, who are these two world class players we are talking about and what is their significance?

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04-13-2013 , 09:55 PM

#513

JayDee88

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Originally Posted by FreakDaddy

Not surprising, most people have known this for a long time. How are they world class but don't know this? I mean seriously, this has been common knowledge among 2+2ers for several years.

They know it. This is the way they play which is consistent with the advice.

I apologize for sharing information that some people already know.

I didn't realize everyone here already knew how to play small pocket pair in the SB.

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04-15-2013 , 05:18 PM

#514

tof23fr

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Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 37

"run it twice" is fixed in version 1.5.13 and is online

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04-15-2013 , 05:33 PM

#515

Wunibald

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Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 332

I really would like to try this piece of software. I installed the trial and got an update immediately after.
But then the software tells me that my license has expired. (???)
Any idea what the problem is?

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04-15-2013 , 05:52 PM

#516

tof23fr

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Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 37

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Originally Posted by Wunibald

have you ever installed a previous version of this software on your computer?
What operating system are you using?
what was the version of the setup you downloaded?

for further assistance with this issue, please send an email to support@holygrailofpoker.com

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04-15-2013 , 07:13 PM

#517

Wunibald

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Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 332

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Originally Posted by tof23fr

have you ever installed a previous version of this software on your computer?

No, of course not.

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Originally Posted by tof23fr

What operating system are you using?

Windows 7, 32 Bit

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Originally Posted by tof23fr

what was the version of the setup you downloaded?

The one that I was linked to in the FAQ for the free trial.

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04-21-2013 , 04:33 PM

#518

Bictor Vlom

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Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 669

Hi JayDee,

Could you tell me how many paid shills are hawking the program in this thread and identify them. Also, are you using the same paid shills here that you used in the Skillbet forum? Could you identify all of the paid shills and exactly how much you are paying them to tout your "software".

Thanks a lot. Its always good to be transparent about these things.

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04-25-2013 , 12:24 PM

#519

Party@TheDoJ

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Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 384

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Originally Posted by Bictor Vlom

This thank you

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05-05-2013 , 03:28 PM

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Loward Hederer

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Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 94

All you need to do is read up on the cheating, a$$ clown, botter who started this company and Skillbet to know they are bunch of unethical dirtballs. I wouldn't install this crap on my computer, for fear that it contains a trojan or other viruses. Hit and run snake oil salesman is what they are.

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05-05-2013 , 03:29 PM

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Loward Hederer

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Originally Posted by Bictor Vlom

Whats the matter JayDee, now that your scummy company has been outted, no more comments ITT?????????

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01-15-2015 , 04:09 AM

#522

dissection

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,440

So there was some scam regarding this software ?

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01-15-2015 , 02:57 PM

#523

MT656

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Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 339

1) Where are the error tolerances in your (exploit) calculations, as in how confident you are that the exploitative play (it recommends) is valid?

2) What is the Nash Distance of your AI's strategy?

3) As far as I can tell, you are claiming that this software can out-perform the current AI's available. What about this claim, if it is true, entitles you to call your software "The Holy Grail of Poker"?

I'm honestly curious as to whether or not I'm missing something, because as far as I can tell, this software is another program which is heavy on marketing, and pretty light on data (while managing to over-estimate the importance of the data which it has).

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01-19-2015 , 06:54 AM

#524

x12x13

newbie

Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 18

I downloaded and installed first time the software and i get the message "Your licence has expired." Can't test.

Windows 8.1 and last Download on Website.

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03-05-2015 , 01:14 AM

#525

EazyMe

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Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 1

I purchased the Holy Grail of poker software yesterday. I was charged but I have not received my serial code yet. Can someone please help me? Thank you for your help.

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