Just to be devils advocate... In a way the gains might have been negated by the fact that opponents can play many more tables thus exploit the fish much quicker. Fish who lose without experiencing any positive variance are not very likely to keep coming back.

Don't get me wrong, I do think they are a good think for online poker and I'm sure I've benefited from them, but I do wonder if they have accelerated the toughening of the games over the last few years.

Juk

I think you should charge $100 for the product, 1st year of updates included, then $20/yr for "upgrades." (Replace the numbers with you own figures.) I want to reward you for the product, and then I want to make sure you have the incentive to continue to upgrade/update the software. For a lot of people, no incentives = no upgrades.

Kudos to PokerTracker for faithfully updating/upgrading their software, quickly, on a continuing basis. They must spend a fair amount of time and effort FOR FREE. (I don't pay them anything)

I hate the monthly subscription model, like SixthSense.

Just my $.02 worth.

------------Meow

Properly adjusted sklansky bucks stuff either in PokerEv or this is going to be awesome too. Being able to say here is what I won is one thing. But here is an adjusted figure that is really should have won can lead to whole new dimensional when it comes to analysis of somebodies play.

Absolutely no question they have directly made the games tougher! HM will probably make them tougher still but I think good thinking players are the ones who will get the most benefit from it and that's the way it should be.

rvg

Will I be able to export from PT to file and into your tool for hands that save the files (i.e. all played hands, I think default is store histories for played, not for observed in PT).

Yes - any hand histories you can export will be read by Holdem Manager. I'll probably automate this process ta hev it read the PT database hand histories in the import but not sure if it will be ready for beta launch.

rvg

When will this program be available?

no subscription. one time fee is the best, you can always have a small charge later for a major upgrade.

also, please consider at least adding ev adjusted winnings for allin situations. thats only one small part of pokerev and will probably end up in the free version anyway, it would just be nice to be able to use that information together with the other features of your program.

Public beta for Manager is July 15th. It is functional right now but I just need a couple of weeks to clean things up, fix some parsing errors on some hand histories, work on documentation and setup and get the HUD private beta ready etc.

I've had some people with great credentials offer to do some testing before that date but I've had to say no since the private beta group has been finalized for a while.

rvg

That is probably the approach that I will take.

There will be All-in EV in Holdem Manager - only thing I am not sure about is if I will be doing it or if PokerEV's free version will do it.

rvg

This is an excellent point. As a Tourney Manager customer, I know that you update the software quickly everytime a site decides to change their hand histories. I wouldn't want to see you so bogged down with supporting every site out there that you never have time to add new features.

Maybe you should consider supporting only the top 5 or so poker sites. The high volume players, who will benefit most from Holdem Manager's improved performance, are probably playing on the big sites. PT/PAHUD are popular because they do a great job supporting every site out there. Maybe you should leave the smaller markets to them and focus on new features for the major sites.

Of course, if you're planning on outsourcing hand-history updates to India or something, then by all means go ahead and support every site you can.

BTW, will this export notes to Party, Stars, etc. like Poker Tracker? I prefer to make notes while reviewing play afterwards, and really like that feature in PT.

I actually wonder how long the smaller sites /networks are going to be around / have traffic worth supporting.

Look at UB, the amount of traffic on there has fallen through the floor, even though it is still open to US players. Somebody mentioned that crypto had falling traffic as well over the past couple of months and that the remaining player pool wasn't worth playing against.

I personally can foresee more and more consolidation with Party/Stars/Full Tilt the main players and maybe the odd other one of any note (e.g. ipoker or prima). This is unless there is some huge seed change, like the americans repealing the anti-gambling legislation.

The call for top 5 seems like a sensible suggestion if that ensures that they are up and running for 99% of the time.

I also think the more sites you support, the more little bugs there are likely to be and thus more bogged down in dealing with the small number of players suffering that problem, rather than being available for the majority.

I think this has been part of the reason for the stagnation of PT / PAHUD, that the authors are pretty much one-man bands and they have to spend their lives answering the forum and investigating / fixing minor bugs for no extra income.

Probably not India but the way I handle hand history conversion parsing was done in such a way that I could outsource it. There is a two step process - step one is converting the site hand history into HMSF which is a generic XML format. I then take that HMSF format and apply all my programming "stuff" on that.

So what this means is that someone could create converters for any site that simply convert to this XML format without knowing anything about Holdem Manager, the Database, what I plan on doing with the data etc.

I do plan on having close to 100% coverage for sites with reasonable amounts of traffic that also have hand histories and I don't necesarilly plan on doing this all myself although it only takes a few hours to built a new site parser.

There is also a pretty good chance that I'll make my site parsers open source by request to speed up the proliferation of HH to HMSF convertors. In fact, earlier versions of HM had each sites parser as its own dll and allowed developers to create a parser for a site, drop it into a folder in HM and the site would automtically be supported without any involvement from me however I changed that due to the potential of people writing backdoor trojans and dropping them into the parsers and then giving them to people.

The approach I have taken now is to make it as easy as possible for other people to write hand history parsers for sites but I will still oversee and manage it all at a code level to make sure everything is safe for HM users.

rvg

Oh RVG,

Please make the HUD work with the iPoker miniwindows (as PO does not)..?