Very much looking forward to this! Not having to wait crazy amounts of time to import hands alone will be a huge improvement and all the extra features look like it's gonna truly be the "next generation" of PT and PAHUD. Great work!

Juk

Sorry, can't provide this until the public beta - the fields in the tables would give away too much functionality to potential competitors at this point.

I can give you a rough idea of table structure though

PokerHands table: describes a single hand

Players table: describes a single player

PlayerHands tables: 1 row per player per hand

CompiledResults: merged stats from players. Each player will have many rows in this table - for example, a player will have merged stats with multiple rows for 2 handed, 3 handed, 4 handed etc
HandHistories: every hand history in original format and in HMSF xml format.

There are a bunch of other lookup tables and secondary tables but these are the main ones.

rvg

The forum is up:
Holdem Manager Forum

and the "web site"
Holdem Manager Website

rvg

any chance of adding prima/microgaming? I dont think they have hand histories tho...

this looks great, i cannot wait to try it.

can this filter hands like:
3 people see flop, im in 2nd position

Hi, you can filter much, much deeper than this (ie 3 people see flop when you 3 bet preflop and you have flopped 2 overcards and a nut flush draw and you are in position) but yes, you can do basic filters like the one you mentioned as well

rvg

Without a hand history I can't add any support

Anyone have any info on this site?

rvg

Prima/Microgaming are the opposite of this information

They write full HHF for observed hands in addition to played hands. I think they do not included mucked hands (of players in position) in accordance with casino rules.

You do need an account & be logged in to observe tables though.

I can send you a stack of observed HH if need be, although I'm sure someone who plays there would be a better option.

dave.

Dave is correct about Prima - you can datamine there. It's also my main site so I would certainly appreciate it.

Needless to say this looks like a must-buy product - with price-point almost irrelevant for any serious player.

I would expect you to blow the old generation of products away with this (much as we all love PT it simply wasn't designed for the NL era).

One request on the HUD - can we please have drag and drop functionlity to move each block of player stats around (like GT+)?

In that respect alone it was always superior to PAHUD, allowing you to set up for new sites much more easily.

Yes the drag and drop idea would be great. The freebie HUD had exactly that and it made moving stats around really easy.

Just out of interest does a proper datamining app exist for prima? Or do you mean just the ability to open up a load of table and record the action from observing the action. From what I remember the last time I played there you can muck your losing hand on the river and so you don't see what people have called you a lot of the time. Is this still the case, cos if it was, surely it would make getting really interesting stats on people much harder as you are going to see a lot less of what they really had.

I believe rvg has already stated the the hud stats are drag and dropable

So many promised features it is hard to keep up :-)

this looks amazing. finally a good pt replacement. good work. something im curious about though, this looks like it could be a serious contender with pokertracker. are you still going to be around in years to come to carry on supporting the software with updates n stuff? Or is there a team of programmers and somebody will be able to take over or something?