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Old 06-26-2007, 04:11 AM   #16
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This looks great. As regards the HUD, I don't know if you noticed the "free HUD release" for Full Tilt a couple of days ago. My reason for mentioning is that in my opinion the guy has it spot on regards many many aspects of that, in the stats offered, how they are offered and how they are calculated.

For example, the idea of doing a stat as following, % of an action given it there was a chance to do so. i.e. No point doing %3-bet as overall hands, rather as a % of the times somebody has alreay raised.

Also the best thing I found about that HUD was the way every action is also split into positional based stats.

Maybe you have talk to the guy, as he seems to have really thought out why people want these stats and how to provide them. It would be great if something can get out into the marketplace that supports (and will do in the future) all the sites and has these kind of positional stats, 3-bet/4-bet stats, float stat etc. PT / PAHUD have been slow to do this, and so a little competition might be exactly what this portion of the online poker software market needs.

Another thing I think is important if you could co-operate with the likes of the creators of SpadeEye and SixthSense, as game selection is all important (especially as the games get harder). If you application doesn't allow game selection tools (as mentioned above) to take your data, I think it will discourage many people who use them from swapping to your product. PT has remained the dominant application, because so many other side products can run off its DB.
Hi,

I actually IM'ed the guy that wrote that other tool and let him know that I think he really nailed it in terms of the stats he has used and how he had laid them out.

The answer to all of your questions is yes - stats are saved positionally and based on preceding action. So, you can see how often xyz player raises from the CO vs 2 or more limpers if you wanted to. Also, stats are all based on # times action taken / # times action was possible as you would expect.

I hope to have many 3rd party developers add support for my program. I actually use SpadeEye and we've worked together on some other cross promotional stuff with Tourney Manager and his ICM product. I haven't spoken to either him or the Sixth Sense guys about this particular project but 1) the DB is laid out in a matter that will allow them to integrate fairly easily and 2) I'd be glad to assist them in the integration.

I have a lot of respect for Poker Tracker and PA HUD and I think having another choice is better for everyone. I'll push them and they'll in turn push me into making better products so things should get interesting!

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Old 06-26-2007, 04:39 AM   #17
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Re: New Software: Holdem Manager

Sounds like you have got a great attitude to all of this, and that you have put a lot of hard work into it. I'm am nailed on to test it out, and of course provide construction comment on the application and bugs. I would be interested in helping out the beta testing, I am in the software business and so have a decent idea what is required.

I am really excited about your product coming to market. The whole area of analysis tools has stagnated over the past year or so, and now with this and the PokerEV stuff there is real potential for some serious improvement in the areas many of us serious players have been wanting for quite a while e.g. speed of import, positional based stats, 3/4 betting.
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Old 06-26-2007, 07:01 AM   #18
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Re: New Software: Holdem Manager

This looks awesome. Can't wait to try it out.
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Old 06-26-2007, 07:09 AM   #19
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RVG, an important question:

The poker sites are doing updates to their software on a regular basis. From time to time your HUD wont be able to display the stats or there's something else wrong with HoldemManager.

Will you have the time (and the effort) to constantly update the software and to provide reasonable tech support? Will you be adding new features on a regular basis?
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Old 06-26-2007, 07:15 AM   #20
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sounds great - if that software supports iPoker I am an guaranteed customer !

If you need tons of iPoker HH's PM me.
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Old 06-26-2007, 07:17 AM   #21
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I think this is a critical point, as the guys behind PT and PAHUD say that because their products are so widely used it is basically a full time job just doing the fixes and replying to people problems. Thus they they don't have very much time for any further development.
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Old 06-26-2007, 08:20 AM   #22
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How much is this going to cost?
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Old 06-26-2007, 09:18 AM   #23
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If the HUD comes out with iPoker support before PokerAce implements it, you'll have a customer.

Looking dead sexy to me, too
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Old 06-26-2007, 09:45 AM   #24
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Uh, rvg.. this is amazing. I cannot wait to try this. And write my own reports! wow.
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Old 06-26-2007, 10:25 AM   #25
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I hope to have many 3rd party developers add support for my program. I actually use SpadeEye and we've worked together on some other cross promotional stuff with Tourney Manager and his ICM product. I haven't spoken to either him or the Sixth Sense guys about this particular project but 1) the DB is laid out in a matter that will allow them to integrate fairly easily and 2) I'd be glad to assist them in the integration.

Simply amazing .
Seems we have a modern successor for PT and PA.

Of course i will add support for Holdem Manager into SpadeEye.
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Old 06-26-2007, 11:46 AM   #26
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RVG, an important question:

The poker sites are doing updates to their software on a regular basis. From time to time your HUD wont be able to display the stats or there's something else wrong with HoldemManager.

Will you have the time (and the effort) to constantly update the software and to provide reasonable tech support? Will you be adding new features on a regular basis?
Hi Karpanen,

I beieve you are a tourney manager customer so you should have first hand knowledge that I am very committed to fixing hand history changes the same day! I'm very committed to this project and fully understand the amount of ongoing work that is going to be required to maintain, support and improve it.

I've basically worked every night and every weekend on this program since September and spent about $2,500 in software licensing / website etc so I will definately make the time and effort!

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Old 06-26-2007, 11:48 AM   #27
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awesome roy
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Old 06-26-2007, 11:57 AM   #28
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Re: New Software: Holdem Manager

Just to show you what I meant about import speeds not trailing off as database sizes get huge - this is the same database that I posted the first screen shot from and before this latest import had about 3.5 million hands. As you can see I'm well into another 1.7 million hand import and speeds are still at 29.0 hands per second which is just 0.4 hands per second less than they were a couple of million hands ago. Also, I'm using a 2 year old 2 ghz machine!



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Old 06-26-2007, 12:37 PM   #29
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Thanks Dave. The DB is Postgres SQL and one of the things on my todo list is to fully document it although it isn't overly complicated. I want this program to be as plugin / add-on friendly as possible.

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Old 06-26-2007, 12:51 PM   #30
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looks pretty nice

can you post the sql used to create the db-tables (since u plan to document it anyway later)?

will be useful/interesting in ordner see how u designed it and what kind of queries one will be able to use.
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