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Old 05-10-2017, 02:17 PM   #1901
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Cheers Scylla - I get the outs type calc, although how i do this for a range rather than just a few cards is a beyond me. What I was interested in is getting some idea of how strong a potential range might be on the river as a means of designing barrelling ranges, and getting a reasonable idea of how strong that range would be on the river, and understanding how turn cards strengthen or weaken it
If you have a flushdraw on the flop for 5% of the time, then the chance of holding a flush on the turn will be 5%*19.15%=0.96%. That being said, you may want to take a look at CardRunnersEV's GTO solver for this. It will figure out for you the optimal way to play your range thoughout all phases of the board versus a perfectly playing villain. It's even possible to (partially) enter play for villain and lock it to the solver so that you can simulate any leaks in villain's play. For more on this, please watch the videos here: http://www.cardrunnersev.com/download.html. The videos will explain how to build trees with the tree building wizard, edit+lock play, how to run the solver and how to use the analysis system.

Should your hand start on the flop, and you want to see the turn/river, then just enter that turn/river and press F7 to recompute (so there's no need to re-run the solver; you can just make another EV run). The software will then show you play for that turn/river. To return to the flop, set the turn/river as empty again and recompute with F7.

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Old 05-10-2017, 11:45 PM   #1902
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I have considered this as a feature in the past, and the problem here is that the only relevant information that can be read from a hand history would be the board. There's no information in a hand history regarding the starting range or the postflop actions.
Well, it could get the board cards and the hero's cards. I isn't super time-consuming to fill in on our own, but what I'm doing lately is tagging a lot of hands right after a long session and running the #'s in Flopzilla. I'd love to just take those tagged hand, highlight them, export them to a single text file (you can do this easily in HM2), and then be able to queue them up in Flopzilla right away. (Hope that makes sense.)

Power-Equilab does this quite nicely and the resulting import window makes it a breeze to run through a whole set of hands one after another in the software. You highlight a hand in the list, take it to the main window, and boom, it's done.


The problem is that it ONLY reads hh files created by the poker sites (and I think only a couple) which makes it pretty much useless; you'd have to weed through a ton of hands across many files (if you multitable), so the process finding a select few hands among so many others make the feature totally not worth it.

Anyway, it's just a thought. Maybe I'm just lazy, but I'd pay extra for something like this.
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Old 05-11-2017, 02:49 AM   #1903
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Well, it could get the board cards and the hero's cards. I isn't super time-consuming to fill in on our own, but what I'm doing lately is tagging a lot of hands right after a long session and running the #'s in Flopzilla. I'd love to just take those tagged hand, highlight them, export them to a single text file (you can do this easily in HM2), and then be able to queue them up in Flopzilla right away. (Hope that makes sense.)

Power-Equilab does this quite nicely and the resulting import window makes it a breeze to run through a whole set of hands one after another in the software. You highlight a hand in the list, take it to the main window, and boom, it's done.


The problem is that it ONLY reads hh files created by the poker sites (and I think only a couple) which makes it pretty much useless; you'd have to weed through a ton of hands across many files (if you multitable), so the process finding a select few hands among so many others make the feature totally not worth it.

Anyway, it's just a thought. Maybe I'm just lazy, but I'd pay extra for something like this.
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Old 05-11-2017, 11:35 AM   #1904
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Well, it could get the board cards and the hero's cards. I isn't super time-consuming to fill in on our own, but what I'm doing lately is tagging a lot of hands right after a long session and running the #'s in Flopzilla. I'd love to just take those tagged hand, highlight them, export them to a single text file (you can do this easily in HM2), and then be able to queue them up in Flopzilla right away. (Hope that makes sense.)
Ok, thank you for the feedback.
I will keep it in mind for future development.

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Old 05-17-2017, 09:41 PM   #1905
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Re: New Software: Flopzilla! (flop texture analysis)

Sorry if this has been answered before; I did a quick search of the Flopzilla website and this thread and couldn't find anything.

How is the order of the active hand ranking (the dropdown menu right above the start hand grid) determined for the "No Limit" range? It's a lot more realistic then PokerStove (which I believe is just all-in preflop equity), or the Sklansky-Malmuth range, etc.

Either way, do most of you find this "No Limit" range here useful when putting together villain ranges based on their preflop %'s? I'm fairly new to the software and only a beginner, mostly playing 6max micros. Thanks!
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Old 05-18-2017, 03:55 AM   #1906
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Sorry if this has been answered before; I did a quick search of the Flopzilla website and this thread and couldn't find anything.

How is the order of the active hand ranking (the dropdown menu right above the start hand grid) determined for the "No Limit" range? It's a lot more realistic then PokerStove (which I believe is just all-in preflop equity), or the Sklansky-Malmuth range, etc.
The hand ranking is just a ranking that I created myself a few years ago, given that all hand rankings at the time were focussed on Limit Holdem. There wasn't anything available for NL, meaning that for example low pocket pairs were not included in the top 40%, while a hand like K7o was.


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Either way, do most of you find this "No Limit" range here useful when putting together villain ranges based on their preflop %'s? I'm fairly new to the software and only a beginner, mostly playing 6max micros. Thanks!
In the end, any hand ranking is always subjective and, on top of that, dependent on other factors such as position, aggression/quality/number of the opponents, etc. So it will never be perfect. However, personally I feel that it's a pretty decent reflection of a ranking for NL preflop play.
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Old 05-23-2017, 06:15 AM   #1907
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Hi scylla,

You said earlier that an infinite number of weights will be supported by Flopzilla soon. When can we expect that update?
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Old 05-24-2017, 04:40 PM   #1908
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Hi scylla,

You said earlier that an infinite number of weights will be supported by Flopzilla soon. When can we expect that update?
I rarely make anouncements regarding future features or expected release dates, and I don't believe that I have made such a statement.
At the very least I can't find it anywhere in this thread, so unfortunately I can not confirm or deny this.

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Old 05-25-2017, 11:36 AM   #1909
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trying to break down a range

i bet a flop IP and i dont think villain would flat 89o often, lets say versus my flop bet, hes calling with 89o 10% of the time.

Now we get to the turn. I am trying to look at my perceived equity versus his perceived range. I only think villain called with 89o on the flop 10% of the time, however, now that we are on the turn, when villain check raises, i have 89o in his check raising range 100% of the time. the 10% of the time he called the flop with 89o, given turn card, he will check raise 100%

If i am looking at turn equity, do i weight the 89o? I am thinking not, because it is irrelevant what he does with 89o in the past, frequencies are out the door. At this point in time, on the turn, the % of the time he has 89o, he is check raising it 100% of the time. eh?
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Old 05-26-2017, 06:10 AM   #1910
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trying to break down a range

i bet a flop IP and i dont think villain would flat 89o often, lets say versus my flop bet, hes calling with 89o 10% of the time.

Now we get to the turn. I am trying to look at my perceived equity versus his perceived range. I only think villain called with 89o on the flop 10% of the time, however, now that we are on the turn, when villain check raises, i have 89o in his check raising range 100% of the time. the 10% of the time he called the flop with 89o, given turn card, he will check raise 100%

If i am looking at turn equity, do i weight the 89o? I am thinking not, because it is irrelevant what he does with 89o in the past, frequencies are out the door. At this point in time, on the turn, the % of the time he has 89o, he is check raising it 100% of the time. eh?
Yes, it's 100% of the time.
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Old 05-31-2017, 08:45 AM   #1911
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I rarely make anouncements regarding future features or expected release dates, and I don't believe that I have made such a statement.
At the very least I can't find it anywhere in this thread, so unfortunately I can not confirm or deny this.
You made it actually in the CREV forum. Post #5739

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/16...1#post52018014
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Old 05-31-2017, 03:08 PM   #1912
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You made it actually in the CREV forum. Post #5739

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/16...1#post52018014
That's a different product in a different thread.
Anything said in the CardRunnersEV thread about CardRunnersEV does not refer to Flopzilla.
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Old 06-01-2017, 05:24 AM   #1913
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That's a different product in a different thread.
Anything said in the CardRunnersEV thread about CardRunnersEV does not refer to Flopzilla.
Alright, thank you! I thought you were referring to Flopzilla.
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Old 06-05-2017, 11:52 AM   #1914
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I've had this software for a while and although I started out using it a lot, since I've purchased Power Equilab, I'm not quite seeing anything that Flopzilla does that PE doesn't. Can someone point to a few things I can do with FZ that I can't do with PE so that I know I'm getting the most out of the product?

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Old 06-05-2017, 06:12 PM   #1915
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I've had this software for a while and although I started out using it a lot, since I've purchased Power Equilab, I'm not quite seeing anything that Flopzilla does that PE doesn't. Can someone point to a few things I can do with FZ that I can't do with PE so that I know I'm getting the most out of the product?

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Upon a brief review of your previous posts I found two other ones where you appear to be making commercials for third party products, disguised as comments and questions. You're even going so far as listing prices and saying what great deals they are (they're not). I would place links to these posts, but I really don't want to encourage you. Please go away.

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Old 06-06-2017, 10:09 AM   #1916
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Upon a brief review of your previous posts I found two other ones where you appear to be making commercials for third party products, disguised as comments and questions. You're even going so far as listing prices and saying what great deals they are (they're not). I would place links to these posts, but I really don't want to encourage you. Please go away.
I can assure you that I am not affiliated with any site, software product, or anything else you're insinuating. I swear it. The only pricing I mentioned (that I can recall) was Power Equilab being available for $6 USD a month, which is indeed a great deal. I can't see how you can say it's not.

I wasn't advertising, I'm definitely not doing so in this thread, and my question to you about what does FZ do that PE doesn't was entirely legitimate. I own your product and I want to get the most out of it since this and PE are what I use. Your attitude and assumptions certainly don't make me more inclined to use or promote your product in the future. Of that, I can guarantee you.

If your software doesn't do anything PE does - say that. Don't deflect and accuse just some random customer of being an advertising shill when all they've done in other threads is make other players (which is all I am, is a semi pro player right now) aware of what software is out there today. There are threads and forums specifically for these discussions and that's where I've participated in them. I did absolutely nothing wrong or out of the ordinary here.
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Old 06-06-2017, 03:28 PM   #1917
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Ok, I think I should explain that yesterday was quite a hectic day, with us noticing at the end of the day that the server was no longer sending e-mails. It took several hours to figure out the problem and manually resend all mails (we may have missed a few, but we did what we could). Perhaps my judgement was off, in which case my apologies.

In regards to a comparison, this is basically comparing apples to pears, given how different the two softwares are. PE is an equity calculator with some added features. Flopzilla is mainly intended for range analysis. However, Flopzilla also offers equity calculations in the form of HoldEq, which is an external equity calculator that can connect to Flopzilla.

Given that I would be comparing apples and pears here, I will just focus on the equity calculation aspect for the moment. HoldEq is extremely fast; much faster than Equilab. It is even so fast, that if you make any change in your Flopzilla window, the equities are almost instantly updated; there's not even any need to press a "Compute" button; it's all done automatically, making it very convenient to use. Other than that, HoldEq will not only calculate the equities of the ranges themselves, but also show the equities of the individual holecards within both ranges, as well as display an equity graph. And all of this data is updated almost instantly when any change is made. As far as I can tell, PE can do none of this, as well as being far slower (for flop calcs).



For a demonstration video on HoldEq, please go here: http://www.flopzilla.com/video.html

There's many other areas that I could discuss, but unfortunately I don't have the time, nor do I expect it to be productive to have a multi-page post on this subject. It's probably easiest if you watch the videos on the video section for yourself to get a decent idea of what Flopzilla has to offer. Personally I feel that Flopzilla is by far the better software, and I expect that most people would agree on that. However, if you have a different opinion, then that's up to you.

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... Power Equilab being available for $6 USD a month, which is indeed a great deal. I can't see how you can say it's not.
6x6 = 36 > 35.

I get the impression that your criticism lies in the assumption that we charge a monthly fee. We don't. In Flopzilla, users only pay a one time fee of $35, after which all upgrades are free ... forever. So it's not yearly, or monthly, it's a one time fee. There's also no tricks like Flopzilla 2 or anything like that, where we would make users pay all over again. We prefer to keep things light, and therefore only charge you once. People who purchased as early as 2009 (for $25) are still getting free upgrades today. And there have been quite a few updates since 2009 where we easily could have made people pay all over again. So, basically, after 6 months, Flopzilla is actually the cheaper software of the two.

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Old 06-06-2017, 03:43 PM   #1918
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@ Scylla: We all have rough days. I certainly have plenty. No worries whatsoever.

What you wrote in your above post is *exactly* what I was looking for. I knew there was something I was missing and that's it - the integration with HoldEQ. Thank you.

For the record: Equilab does not have features like this but Power Equilab does. It absolutely does do equity calculation for future streets, analyzes the hole card's equity, etc. They have the exact same features at this point as the product is updated quite often. That said, Flopzilla is indeed extremely fast with these calculations and does a great job of being a fast, light (as you put it) piece of software that you can do a tremendous amount with in a short period of time.

As for pricing: Of course the monthly on PE adds up but I still think it's a good deal. I wasn't saying it was a *better* deal than FZ, though. FZ is the most affordable, bang for your buck, commercial software out there. Everything else does indeed cost more. The only thing that's close to your price and does something similar is Flop Falcon and it's still more expensive.

Thank you again for detailing what you did and for your apology. I also apologize if I did come off as a shill but again, I can assure you that I'm not affiliated with any site, product, or network.
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Old 06-06-2017, 05:02 PM   #1919
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I use both power equilab and flopzilla - think both are (really) great.

One of the best bits about Flopzilla is how interactive & immediate it is in terms of changing ranges and seeing the outputs (without having to open windows to change things) and seeing how different boards hit our ranges - think flopzilla is unique here

I do think its a shame that you can create sub-ranges in the same way that power equilab does
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Old 06-08-2017, 10:25 PM   #1920
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In the comparison of 2 ranges, at one point I selected the 2p stat by placing the mouse over it and would like to see the equity of each of the 2p combos vs the villain's range. I've come across a problem. There are 38 combos of 2 pairs, but I can not get down the scroll bar of the equity graph, i can not get the cursor off the stat 2p because it returns to highlight the whole range again and if use Scroll bar it changes weight.



I tried to lock the stat using the right button, but then there were several absurd combos and the counter also goes crazy kkkk.
After that, the software crashes. This happens every time I try to perform this process.

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Old 06-09-2017, 10:07 AM   #1921
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In the comparison of 2 ranges, at one point I selected the 2p stat by placing the mouse over it and would like to see the equity of each of the 2p combos vs the villain's range. I've come across a problem. There are 38 combos of 2 pairs, but I can not get down the scroll bar of the equity graph, i can not get the cursor off the stat 2p because it returns to highlight the whole range again and if use Scroll bar it changes weight.



I tried to lock the stat using the right button, but then there were several absurd combos and the counter also goes crazy kkkk.
After that, the software crashes. This happens every time I try to perform this process.

Ok, thank you for pointing this out. I will see if I can fix this on Sunday and probably take care of a number of other smallish matters after that as well. Unless there's some unexpected surprises, I will post a fix around Tuesday.

Thank you for the feedback,

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Any word on the fix?
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Old 06-14-2017, 03:45 PM   #1923
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Any word on the fix?
Ah, sorry about that. First of all there were some unexpected delays due to some issues with the server, and other than that, we decided that it was probably better to take a few days for additional testing. But here is a link, if you prefer to have the current internal update right now: https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/c...nstallv184.msi. As far as I can tell, it works properly, however, should there still be issues, then please mail support and we'll take care of it.
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Ah, sorry about that. First of all there were some unexpected delays due to some issues with the server, and other than that, we decided that it was probably better to take a few days for additional testing. But here is a link, if you prefer to have the current internal update right now: https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/c...nstallv184.msi. As far as I can tell, it works properly, however, should there still be issues, then please mail support and we'll take care of it.
Very, very cool. Thank you.

edit: Seems to work even faster than previous builds. Thanks again.
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Old 06-21-2017, 11:47 PM   #1925
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Guys, I hesitate to post a question that is sure to have such an easy fix, but I have been stumped on this for three days and have spent several hours searching this thread, this forum, and through videos and manuals to solve this problem. So here is my question:

How do I create custom ranges? Ideally I would like to be able to select a custom range, then edit it for one hand without overwriting the saved range.

I have added my categories and sub-categories. I can build a range. But then when I try to go to another sub-category to build another range it appears to overwrite my first one and mirror the results (for example, when I build my cutoff open range it overwrites my button open range and they are both the same now). Likewise, I have no idea how to 'lock' these in so they stay put.

Can anyone help? I am trying and look forward to using this if I can just get the basics down. Thank you!
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