You can export them to Excel with the yellow excel button.

what the most efficient way to compare the EV of taking different lines? Are there any plans for something similar to razor's most exploitive line tool?

I'll take care of it.

Here's how I see it working.
You hover over a decision, press Alt+E and StoxEV assigns every starting hand under the action with its highest EV.

Should work, right?

I don't really understand what you are saying. How would I find the "most exploitive line" using that.

I'm adding it to the software right now.
Should be up in a couple of days.

Here's what you do.
You make the tree with the raise/call/fold lines in it.
You hover over your last decision, press Alt+X and StoxEV will assign all starting hands to the line with the highest EV.

If there is a decision before this where you also want to do this, you can work back towards it.



It's the exact same thing as is already possible for raise or fold decisions as described here:
http://www.stoxev.com/exploitable.htm

This new version however should allow for some more advanced research, for instance maximum exploititive riverplay against villains strategy with raise/call/fold lines.


I'm also just done with the video manual part 3. I'll add a demonstration of this proces in that.

would their be anyway to compare the ev of different betsizes, which each get different opponent responses?

For example, say I am HU on the river and I want to compare the ev of different betsizes. Each betsize will have some value bets and some bluffs, and to each different betsize our opponent will respond differently. For example to a 1/3 psb, he will call and raise us much more frequently, then if I make a psb, even tho he gets to the river with the same range in both cases.

Is there a way to graph the ev of different betsizes, when each betsize illicits a different opponent response?

gonna check this 1 out -tytyty

Working on it right now.
Should be done by the end of the month.
It's going to be a one button push kind of thing.
You'll need to enter villain's strategy in a tree, press the "counter-strategy" button and StoxEV will work out the optimal counter-strategy.

No better counter-strategy will exist (unless you're working in Monte Carlo mode, in which case there will be insignificantly small errors).


It will also work for different betsizes, as long as you enter villain's reaction to all betsizes.


This will also mean that the method that I described earlier for finding counter-strategies (http://www.stoxev.com/exploitable.htm) will from now on be completely automated.

that is awesome

Was thinking about this more.. This is all amazing. Do you think it would be possible to do this for both players at the same time?

Basically meaning, would it be possible to figure out what each players minimax strategy is, maybe even just for one street, say the river. Basically figuring out an optimal strategy pair I guess.

Would that be possible, or undoable do to lack of computational power in the program?

You're talking about unexploitable strategies?
Possible, but computationally very intensive.
The results wouldn't be perfect, but close enough.

Don't know if I'm going there though.


This exploitative game would be a one street thing.
For instance it can tell you which holecards to play and how preflop if you've given villain's preflop+postflop strategy on an unknown board.

Or for riverplay, on a known river, given villain's strategy.

Or for the turnplay, where you've given villain's strategy for both the turn and the unknown rivers.


Basically, the exploititive function would give you the maximum yielding counter-strategy for the last street where the holecards are known at the push of a button.

Hey scylla,

My program didn't auto-update fyi. I'm still running 2.2.2 and I see that 2.2.3 is up on your webpage.

Pretty amazing new features to come. I'm really looking forward to it!

Could you please tell me what it says in the version.txt file in the installation directory?

"223
123456
987654"

So I guess I am on 2.2.3 after all. Under Help>About StoxEV it's still showing 2.2.2

Yeah, I forget to change that sometimes.

Yea, I was basically thinking that if you in fact are able to design this feature that figures out the Maximal exploitative strategy vs a fixed counter strategy, that maybe it would be possible to design a feature that would make both players try to maximally exploit eachother, say on the river, when ranges, potsize, stack size are all specified. This would obviously take exponentially more computational power, than just figuring out 1 persons maximal strategy vs anothers.

So in theory it could be just a single button also, where you put in a known board(all cards), and fill in the game tree up to the river for both players, then push the button, and it figures out the optimal strategies for both players. Would be similar in function to the unexploitable shoving feature, except, that the strategies probably would include all strategic options and various betisizes

It would be a great feature to add, but I can see how it would be impossible, or not worth your time


But this feature is definitely awesome, looking forward to it. It should cut down on the amount of time needed to analyze a situation greatly

Ok, all the coding is done.
Works like a charm.
I hope I'll have time to write a short online manual and put the new version online within a couple of days.

sounds great man. can't wait.

Ok, short manual is online:
http://www.stoxev.com/exploiting_automatic.htm

I'll post the new version in a couple of days.

How much do I have to pay you to start restricting access to the program? (semi-serious)

Let me know when you are 100% serious.

That wood shed you list as your location sounds sweeeeeeeet.

Yeah, stoxEV is like a poker WMD. We need the IAEA to fight proliferation of stoxEV!

My level of seriousness seriously depends on the cost! Throw out a number.

I'm in the woodshed because I feel I need to learn as much as possible from your program before everyone else does too.

i mean it would suck big time to make stoxev totally private... I <3 it, but if you did I would just buy pokerrazor. Its a lot more clunky, and it take some time to get used to, but its only like 50$ or something and functions about the same as stoxev

Seriously Stoxev is awesome, but why not just sell licenses for like 100$, im sure u could make as much or more by doing that over the next few years

99%+ of the players out there have no idea this program even exits and 99%+ of those that do know of it would never invest the time into digging into it anyway, so I'm pretty sure you can stop worrying about this program ruining the game...


Edit: that said, I certainly feel it's a program you could/should charge for. While I think it's a program that appeals to a fairly small segment of players, it's a segment that is serious enough about their game that they wouldn't mind paying a bit for it.