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Does weighting carry forward from street to street?

I built a tree where villain 3-bets pre 50% of time with AA&KK. I then started exploring the other part of the tree (where villain calls pre) and set the flop = AK4r. In combo mode, CREV is telling me there are 3 combos of sets for each AA and KK, but it should be 1.5 each because 50% of AA&KK do not get to the flop this way. Do the equities and EVs I am seeing on the flop take this into account?

Edit: I should add that I am filtering villains range by top X% on the flop. Does this also consider pre-flops weightings?

Yes, weights are forwarded, so I would expect that you should be able to see this in combo mode (Alt+C). Can you either mail a savefile to support or post one here?


PS:
To export a savefile, go to "File->Export save file as text block".
In your post on this forum, put it between [code ] and [/code] brackets.
Otherwise the forum editor will change the text block.

Hello,

in postflop range editor, where we input visually our hands. How do I tell the program which suits I want it to be. Let's say I want the suited hands to only be suited hearts and diamonts and that I want only those combos of KJo that have club in it. On the right side there are 3 windows to edit this seems like but I have no idea how to use them. And if I click some of it and press save and close but nothing seems to change. And I didn't see info about this in manual or yt videos.

Thanks

I assume you mean the range editor in the "Holecards" section?



For this, just select the hands you want to filter for.
After that, attach a suit selection box to them:



You can select in the suit selection box which suits you want to filter for.

If you need a short video on this, then please watch this Flopzilla video: https://youtu.be/jN3_CA-u7eA
It's the same principle for both programs.

Should I have misunderstood your question, then please send a savefile to support and state in a bit more detail what you're looking for.

Cheers,

Scylla

that was it thanks a lot

Hey guys just wanna know if both CREV and Flopzilla work fine in Windows 10. Thanks

No issues have been reported there, so there should not be any problems.

Thanks

Hello Scylla,

Solver works very well on the river, but I don’t get the idea of how it works on earlier streets because it is so result oriented of next ones.

Let’s give an absurd example where I want to solve a flop with two trees, and then on the turn, one of the tree is always folded by villain, and the second tree we check he bet we raise he fold, on a totally unknown turn. So when the solver will solve the flop, it will always put all the combos on the second choice. Is that how a solver should work?

The checkdown case isn’t really a good solution, in my opinion, because I had very different results while changing few percentages and it is hard to know what to put.

Can't flops and turns be solved like rivers? I mean like this, if we bet pot on the flop, then villain will continue with 50% of his range, so we can compare the ev (regarding direct equity) of our hand versus his continuing range and compare to other ev of given bet sizes and continuing ranges, and then choose where to put it.

Hi Himotep,

There's really no need to use checkdowns to finish up postflop trees. You should just use the tree building wizard to create subtrees for you on the unknown turns/rivers and then let the solver fill in the rest.

An example of a flop tree created by the tree building wizard is the file /equilibrium_sample_files/flop/flop_2bet.stx in the software's main directory.

For instructions on how to use the tree building wizard, please watch the latest update video on the solver: https://youtu.be/IClWXsKhrIE

This video also shows how you can lock actions and conditions for the solver.
With this you can just fill in the play that you see fit and let the solver figure out the rest.

Cheers,

Scylla

Hi,whenever I set up a tree and try to use the solver for the flop and click "compute" the solver runs for around 5 secs and then I get the message "cardrunners EV has stopped working" and crev automatically closes right after,what can I do?Thanks!

Hi!
first of all, this is great software. I love it.
2nd, I am getting a virus warning from 2 different anti virus programs that I have so is everything ok? are you sure?
3rd, is there a free trial to test the full functionality of the program?
most important : 4th, is there also a way to check my calling ev with a certain hand preflop against multiple opponents with a determined range, then continue the tree accounting for all possibilities and have the original ev adjust accordingly? does it do that?
Thank you for this.

Can you please check if you have enough memory to run the solver?

Flop trees typically require slightly over 1GB, which should not be a problem on any modern system.
However with wide ranges it may be up to 3GB (in 3bet trees + both players have a range of "all hands").

Or are you possibly using the 32bit version? A problem with 32bit programs is that they can not use more than ~1.5GB of memory, regardless of how much memory is on your computer. For what it's worth, this is not a limitation of the software itself; this applies to any 32bit program.

If possible, use the 64 bit version.
It's faster and does not have this memory limitation.

If the above does not apply, then please send an e-mail to support and we'll see if we can figure out why the solver crashes for you.

I've checked on virustotal.com and, at this point there's 0 out of 55 virus scanners that think there's a virus. Are you using the latest version, v322? If so, can you please tell me which anti virus programs are reporting this false positive? I can probably contact their support and request to be whitelisted (most commercial anti virus programs offer this type of support).


There's a non-expiring trial that should let you test pretty much anything. The main limitation is that you can't build trees of your own, however, the example files in /equilibrium_sample_files should provide you with enough default trees for testing purposes. For videos on how to use the solver see the website. The trial limitations will be changed over the next few months though. In a few months the limitation in tree building will be removed and replaced by a limitation in which flop you can use in trial mode.


I don't really understand what you're looking for here, particularly the part "continue the tree accounting for all possibilities and have the original ev adjust accordingly".

Nothing is working for me, I install this today, try to run a simple tree I made and after 5 min it was still calculating.

I'm looking for some preflop GTO first, like, let's say I open to $3 utg with a 14% range I put myself, MP made it $9 total with a 5% range (that I select myself), everyone else fold and it's back to me, we are 100bb deep, what should be my folding, calling, and 4 betting range, considering I will fold 50% of the time (7%), and split 50/50 between calling and 4 betting (3.5% each), to be near GTO.

So i'd like to know considering MP 5% range (that I select myself) what hands in my 14% range should I fold, call and 4 bet in term of equity vs that particular range (what hand play best calling vs 4 betting, and what hand should I just fold).

And about my laptop its a Intel Core i7-4720HQ CPU @ 2.60GHz, with 8 Go ram (go is french for gb), 64 bits. So should be enough memory right?

Can you mail a savefile to support?

Other than that, when you say "after 5 min it was still calculating", do you possibly mean that you have dEV set at 0? Because in that case the solver will simply keep running until you tell it to stop.

Trees that are preflop or on the turn or river require basically no memory. Flop 3bet trees typically go up to 1.5GB, unless ranges are extremely wide. So, if there is an issue, then memory does not sound like it's the problem. Having said that, I get the impression that you have dEV set at 0, meaning that the solver will simply keep running until you tell it to stop.

Yes, I had EV set at 0, i'm not really familiar with the software or GTO yet (what should I put instead of 0, like 0.1?).

And do I need to put a end to they action (meaning, a flop action and result) to run some EV calculation?

Let's say I open EP with 14% range, MP repop 5% range (everyone else fold), back to me. How can the program give me a GTO approach of my options (fold, call or 4b), given the stack size, MP range, my open range, and MP 3b sizing?).

Is there a option to tell the software: postflop doesn't matter yet? I try but they keep saying that I need to end they action by a fold, checkdown, or wtv.

Not sure if checkdown is the same... the hand will never be checkdown.

Let's say that i'm gonna check 100% from UTG on flop, and vilain will 100% cbet his MP, then I still won't be able to run the tree as they will ask me what I want to do vs MP cbet.

It's kind of confusing because I need to focus on my preflop GTO strategy first (or unexploitative). If they told me which hands do well postflop vs vilain range, I can be able to choice which hands in my 14% open range from UTG I can call and which hand use as 4b, and which one I should fold.

For that I guess I need the EV of my hands giving random postflop board and random action by vilain, no? Don't know if I make any sense! I can't put my range of call, fold or 4b pre if I don't know if it's the correct range vs vilain 3b range, so I need to start by having correct range preflop.

Thx!

You can just enter 0 and run the solver until you feel the dEV is low enough. For preflop trees the solver should converge to within a tiny fraction of a cent within a few seconds. For example, if the dEV is 0.001, then this means that neither player can improve on the equilibrium by more than a tenth of a cent, even if they were to play optimally. This should be plenty of accuracy.


Once you reach the flop you can use a checkdown to finish the hand.

Ok, I have received your mail and posted a fix for this issue.
Please go to the website for v323.

-Avira, and panda gold protection.
-The software I have downloaded now seems to be cev3.
when I enter, it tells me a new beta software is ready to install, perhaps this means i do not have the right one?
What I meant was this: let's say I am faced with a certain preflop call with 9 6 suited. then I select to call which at the moment is -ev but after playing around with the out come possibilities post flop and my bluff success, It will change my preflop ev accordingly. For example implied odds.
will this work with one opponent?
will this work with more than one?

I will probably buy it tomorrow. great job on the software. Is there any chance to get a 1 day free trial to test it out? can you make this happen?
Thank you.

It is saying 1 item has been neutralized. the item: CardrunnersEV/cardrunnersev3/alternatereg.exe. this is not the first time. I am sure it will do it again.

sorry for spamming your thread, I was also wondering about any discounts for the products for one person, and if I could get a couple other people interested would we maybe be able to get an even better discount. let's say we are 5 people who want to buy, what price can you give us?