Thanks, I have it sussed now.

A great piece of software and I for one will be buying it.

I'm messing around with it at the moment and one thing I've noticed is that the tree can quickly get very complicated and before you know it there's branches going everywhere. I find that there's variuos lines I'm taking that could apply to other parts of the tree but I have to enter all the data all over again. If there was a way to pick a point and save the line from that point onwards and apply it to other parts of the tree that would save allot of time.

At this point it's not possible to copy a whole branch of a tree. There's problems because I can't just accept a whole bunch of actions at the same time, the tree could become unstable.

There is however a cut-copy-paste option for conditions and actions. Also you can copy multiple conditions at a time by using the quickselect menu.

Turn on hints and hover over the actions and conditions to see how to do that. It's included in the next manual too. I forgot it until now somehow.

Does that help anything?

PS: 1.0.6 will be out tomorrow. 1.0.5 has some problems with crashing with very big trees because of memory problems. That's gone in 1.0.6.

EDIT: Oh, if possible, could you send me your savefile and a short explanation of where you need this copying of a whole branch? I won't do something with it right now, but in time it may give me inspiration to find a solution for the problem. stoxpoker_ev@hotmail.com. Thanks!

Thanks for the reply. Looking at the tree i refered to again it wouldn't be possible to use the exact same in another spot because there would be only 2rather than 3 players in the decision. Would it be possible though to change a player from a call to fold and then remove all there actions from the tree without having to re enter it all.

For instance if I'm on the BT and i raise and i do a tree where both blinds call. I finish the tree all the way to the river and calcuate the EV. Now i want to know the EV if the SB had folded. It would be handy if there was an option to change his call to a fold but still use the same assumptions for the BT and BB for the rest of the hand. Ok the hand could have been played different with the SB in it but rather than do a whole new tree with the SB folding it would be nice and quick to use the same assumptions.

The problem is that if you make such a drastic step somewhere at the start of the tree everything behind it is dramatically affected. Potsizes, betsizes, reactions to if for instanse performs some action in the hand, suddenly a fold is a showdown, etc. It's going to cause a lot of situations that are unsolvable or near unsolvable.
And even if this is not the case in some special situation, it's just near impossible to write an algorithm that can tell the difference.

Ok, I'm done with 1.0.6.
Problem is I'm having trouble putting it online.


For now:

A
I've put it on megaupload: http://www.megaupload.com/nl/?d=VAAI9FG4
But this is only a limited amount of downloads;

B
You can add me on msn and I'll filetransfer it to you. For some reason the connection is slow and it'll take about 30 minutes for a transfer. stoxpoker_ev@hotmail.com

C
I could mail it, PM me your mail adress.

Any other suggestions for making a file available?

I'll make an official release statement when the file is on the site. For now know that ALL known bugs have been fixed (even the hard ones) and the manual contains some new items.

Good luck with it!

Scylla

Stoxpoker EV beta 1.0.6 release

You can download the latest version here:
http://mediaserver2.stoxpoker.com:80...toxev1_0_6.msi


Bugfixes:
- Solved memory management issues. Large trees shouldn't crash anymore now.
- There were problems if certain numbers got huge, for instance >1 million runs with large betsizes. It's gone now.
- Due to a previous "bugfix" >=tp and >=mp accepted any pocket pair
- Solved some more issues with one and two pair types of hands. That part of the code is very complex. I think I got them all. It was not fun.
- File management has improved. You can now put your savefiles anywhere.

Improvements:
- Installer instead of the winrar nightmare! Standard installation directory: C:/program files/stoxpoker/stoxEVbeta1.0.6
- "Add condition" back to previous single-click method. Sorry for the inconvenience in 1.0.5!
- Manual now includes sections on the new custom conditions menu (See "New")
- Manual now includes explanation of ctrl+c,ctrl+v,ctrl+x,ctrl+z, etc
- Tournament ICM model strongly improved. Much more acurate.
- Range input in the postflop menu now accepts input like 77+, KJ-, etc.
- Default conditions are now called "all hands". Finally a name that I'm satisfied with.
- There is now a link to the manual in the program. It's in the menu under Help->Start manual.


And for my next performance ...
Pffff, it's been quite a week. These were the last vital changes that I felt the program really couldn't do without. Many of these changes will perhaps not even be noticed by some users but having a program will all sorts of hidden flaws in it is just not acceptable in my opinion. I have some ideas of where to go next, rest assured I'm not done developing, but I finally have a version that I'm satisfied with.

And now for the scary part ...
The video manual.
Yes, I'll be making a video about the product demonstrating how to use it and pointing out the most common mistakes new users make.
Stagefright!
Scary scary stuff ..

I've encountered a possible bug when doing some SB v BB All in or fold situations. If i pick say the top 50% of hands for the SB and then the BB calls with the top 25% this produces a total EV for the SB and BB combined of $15 which is correct as the blinds are $5/$10. The problem is when i add a fold action for the SB for the times he doesn't have a top 50% hand, the BB EV doesn't increase and the combined EV for the SB and BB is now just $10. The SB folds are not been counted towards the BB EV.

I tried to take a screenshot but i can't seem to paste it here. It should be easy recreate anyway.

The tree branches off into two subbranches.
The first branch, the one where sb raises all in, is the same from the bb's perspective as the first situation. He's facing the top 50% from the sb in both cases, therefore he has the same EV.

In the second branch the SB folds, which comes down to an EV of 0 for him.
The sb's ev for his decision is calculated as 50% of the EV for the first situation + 50% for the fold of 0 EV.
If you were to add up the money as it flows through the tree it all adds up.


You can still check to see the money adding up to $15 in the first branch by the way. Hover over the raise to 200 action for the SB and check out the EV for that. Thát's the sb's EV for his raise action. Add the EV for the BB in the first branch and you get 15 (asuming rake is 0%).

Something strange here: EV calculation won't run because of this error (I'm trying to run it from the flop onwards).

The program is told to check for the UTG+1 but not with what hands.
You'll have the same problem with the button.
The program is told to call with >=mp or oesd but not what to do in other situations.
A tree should look something like this:


For EV calculations all possibilities should be accounted for.
If you just want percentages then this is not necessary, the program will stop whenever it can't go on at some point in the tree.

my bad, thanks for the explain

is there gonna be a stox video on how to use this?
much like stox video on pokertracker.

There already is one, that is on YouTube. I forget where the link was posted, but I doubt it would be hard to find. I think the OP said the would be making a new one soon, as well.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6fYixwfjpo

Yes, I was planning on starting work on that video today, but my plans changed. I'll start tomorrow and hope to have it up in a week.

The video you're linking to is actually for the stoxpoker combo program, which is something different altogether.
A short video for thís program dóes exists at this point. It's a short demo by Bryce Paradis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln9lJVeDwbg